AMFA or TEAMSTERS?

[700UW]

Yep your not the sharpest.

The IBT tried to force an election, they didnt get enough cards signed, had nothing to do with the company.

The IAM contract has not been in negotiations for four years, so why dont you try two, and that is not above average, if you look at most airline CBAs they take at least that long.

 

[Bob Owens]

Don't negotiations normally start before the amendable date?

 

[TRAVIS]

Don't negotiations normally start before the amendable date?

They did but 700 will spin that too, it might make his IAM look bad.

 

[700UW]

Negotiations start 60 days prior to the amendable date. And I believe they started earlier than that, and yes its been two years.

How long were you in negotiations at AA before they filed chapter 11?

 

[Bob Owens]

Negotiations start 60 days prior to the amendable date. And I believe they started earlier than that, and yes its been two years.

How long were you in negotiations at AA before they filed chapter 11?

Four years, but I'm not trying to defend what the TWU did, in fact I was pushing to demand a release from when I got there.

You are at the bottom of the industry, why wait? You guys haven't even feigned a release request.

The fact is the TWU isn't raiding US, the IBT is, so going after the TWU really does nothing for the argument that IAM members should not sign IBT cards. How do you justify spending $700 a year for a deal thats much worse than what non-union mechanics get? (Delta, Jet Blue and Fed Ex) Why don't the guys at US even know what they are asking for and why hasn't the IAM done a damn thing other than complain to the press that US management isnt negotiating with them?

 

[skinvalve]

ARTICLE 23 pg 94 of the US/IAM CBA states bargaining for a new CBA will begin no later than JAN 15, 2011.

 

[700UW]

Bob,

As you well know US filed bankruptcy in 2002 and again in 2004, every union gave three rounds of concessions, in the 04 case the IAM M&R had their CBA abrogated and a final offer was made to be voted on by the judge and it was approved.

In 2008 a JCBA was put into effect to merge HP with US.

This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11, and as you well know the board wont release the IAM after only two years of bargaining.

I guess Doug is too busy with negotiating with AA's unions than to settle his own backyard.

The AFA took EIGHT years for their first JCBA, USAPA still doesnt have a JCBA, and the IAM Ramp, along with Maintenance Training Specialists, and the CWA for Res and CSA are all in negotiations.

There simply isnt enough time nor people on the company side, and no willingness from the company to settle.

 

[Bob Owens]

Bob,

As you well know US filed bankruptcy in 2002 and again in 2004, every union gave three rounds of concessions, in the 04 case the IAM M&R had their CBA abrogated and a final offer was made to be voted on by the judge and it was approved.

In 2008 a JCBA was put into effect to merge HP with US.

This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11, and as you well know the board wont release the IAM after only two years of bargaining.

I guess Doug is too busy with negotiating with AA's unions than to settle his own backyard.

The AFA took EIGHT years for their first JCBA, USAPA still doesnt have a JCBA, and the IAM Ramp, along with Maintenance Training Specialists, and the CWA for Res and CSA are all in negotiations.

There simply isnt enough time nor people on the company side, and no willingness from the company to settle.

If the company has refused to meet then you have the right to seek release. Show me where it says the NMB will not release you after two years of unproductive negotiations. You guys didn't even ask.

Yes I'm aware, aware that you were the first to roll over and the longest to stay down,thats 11 years ago and you haven't recovered yet, US has but its workers haven't. instead you sit there and allow this to continue even as US posts profits.

Maybe all of you should get together and demand a release. Or has everyone at US become comfortable at the bottom? You are making excuses for management, it sounds eirily familiar. Great, just what we need, more wimps as if we didn't have enough already.

 

[700UW]

Bob,

As you know the IAM is in mediation with the NMB, they schedule the meetings, not the company nor the union, the company and the union actually added an extra week of negotiations.

How were we the first to roll over?

US filed chapter 11 in 2002, we voted down the first round of concessions.

I love how you try to spin things, the law mandates you negotiate or face abrogation, we had an abrogation in chapter 11 part II.

You and your union took concessions and you werent even in bankruptcy in 2003, now were you?

Actually it was in 2005 when our CBA was abrogated and in 2008 in the JCBA we got money, vacation, sick, holiday and work back, can you say the same?

And I campaigned for the "NO" vote and I walked the picket line in 92 when we were on strike, can you say the same?

This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11 and the abrogation.

 

[737823]

Yes I'm aware, aware that you were the first to roll over and the longest to stay down,thats 11 years ago and you haven't recovered yet, US has but its workers haven't. instead you sit there and allow this to continue even as US posts profits.

Maybe all of you should get together and demand a release. Or has everyone at US become comfortable at the bottom? You are making excuses for management, it sounds eirily familiar. Great, just what we need, more wimps as if we didn't have enough already.

Great post Bob.

Josh

 

[737823]

Bob,

As you know the IAM is in mediation with the NMB, they schedule the meetings, not the company nor the union, the company and the union actually added an extra week of negotiations.

How were we the first to roll over?

US filed chapter 11 in 2002, we voted down the first round of concessions.

I love how you try to spin things, the law mandates you negotiate or face abrogation, we had an abrogation in chapter 11 part II.

You and your union took concessions and you werent even in bankruptcy in 2003, now were you?

Actually it was in 2005 when our CBA was abrogated and in 2008 in the JCBA we got money, vacation, sick, holiday and work back, can you say the same?

And I campaigned for the "NO" vote and I walked the picket line in 92 when we were on strike, can you say the same?

This is the first Section 6 negotiations since chapter 11 and the abrogation.

Spoken like a true business unionist. Face it, the IAM has not been successful ensuring USAIR workers share in the record profits and you continually insist USAIR isn't making money off employee backs. It takes two parties to negotiate; you can't always blame the company. Why doesn't District Lodge 141 have better negotiatiors than the current Rich Delaney, William O'Driscoll, etc?

Josh

 

[700UW]

Great post which is full of misinformation.

1983, TWU rolls over at AA establish B-Scale, and when did OSMs come into effect?

Lower paid replacing mechanics.

Wiliam O'Driscoll?

And Bill was an awesome unionist and old school from Ireland.

Sorry he retired, a few years ago.

And the negotiating committee is made up of ALL mechanics from US Airways.

Try again joshie, cause you are wrong once again.

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/USA_2013_MandR-22.pdf

Every single member is a US Airways mechanic.

Dont let the facts get in your way.

And Rich Delany has nothing to do with mechanic and related.

 

[737823]

Great post which is full of misinformation.

1983, TWU rolls over at AA establish B-Scale, and when did OSMs come into effect?

Lower paid replacing mechanics.

Show me one piece of misinformation.

Josh

 

[700UW]

If you cant read and comprehend that's your problem

All ready showed what was wrong.

 

[737823]

If you cant read and comprehend that's your problem

All ready showed what was wrong.

You can't comprehend, you already posted about TWU 1983 concessions, the fact is after 9/11 the IAM was the first to lie down, roll over and give the company exactly what they wanted in three round of concessions. The IAM has facilitated the Wal-Martization of airline careers through highly concessionary agreements, ready reserve at Hawaiian, outsourcing ramp for Alaska in Seattle, standing by as UAL outsourced many stations to UAX, no problem for the IAM when they are staffed with dues paying Air Wisconsin workers. How great of a job did the IAM do for the TWA workers? Why was the IAM decertified at NW, defeated for the UA F/As? I guess Local Lodge 2339N did a great job for the CO EWR FAs...

Josh