AMFA Informational Meeting in PHX

[700UW]

OAK Heavy Maintenance at AS?
 
What about them losing the landmark case at ACA?
 
Inability to bring any work back in-house at WN for 700 planes,and only four lines of check?
 
One line brought back in-house for the right for WN to send planes overseas for overhaul.

 

[1AA]

Funny thing is FWAAA never states what they do, if I remember correctly that person isnt even an AA employee.
 
And WeAA, they cant debate with facts, so they try to shut down those who actually use facts and know what they are talking about.
 
AMFAinMIA is the biggest one, he constantly posts that I shouldnt post, no one should post unless they are an elitist mechanic wanting AFMA.

With comments like this you wonder why we ask you to mind your own business and leave. Unfortunately you can't help yourself. You have to make sure everyone reads your posts. Get a life, will you?

 

[700UW]

Well its apparent you dont have one as you follow me from thread to thread and you mentioned me in your post and it had nothing to do with me posting here at all.
 
Selective memory?
 
This is a message board, you can fix an airplane, but you cant understand the concept of a message board?

 

[737823]

OAK Heavy Maintenance at AS?
 
What about them losing the landmark case at ACA?
 
Inability to bring any work back in-house at WN for 700 planes,and only four lines of check?
 
One line brought back in-house for the right for WN to send planes overseas for overhaul.

See IAM Alaska Air 600 rampers in state of Alaska only. When the IAM does it it's okay, but WN AMFA it's not.

Josh

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

We voted for a strike. We also could never have passed any T/A. Each time we had come close to any T/A, NWA would lower the offer. The last offer on the table would have reduced the ranks by over 50%, all cleaners gone, and all employees left on payroll with a 25% paycut. None of us would have voted ourself out of a job. This is especially true when, if laid off, the pay to which you returned was less than when laid off. I have no regrets.

The biggest mistake we made was not letting NWA lock us out. Had we done CHAOS, they would have locked us out and we could have won the media war. We also would not have had so many scabs. The scabs did just enough to keep them flying. NWA never intended on coming to agreement with AMFA. All airlines had put NWA on notice. This with the help of the IAMAW who assisted them by agreeing to take on the work of us while on strike was a killer.

I watched IAM guys volunteer to go to other stations to get trained on how to service and start APU's, do pushbacks and aircraft repositions. They did this BEFORE the strike. I then watched, from the picket line, IAM rampers doing my duties from day one of the strike.

You guys get what you deserve if you vote for the IAM. I would go no union before having them on the property.

 

[blue collar]

OAK Heavy Maintenance at AS?
 
What about them losing the landmark case at ACA?
 
Inability to bring any work back in-house at WN for 700 planes,and only four lines of check?
 
One line brought back in-house for the right for WN to send planes overseas for overhaul.

You're contradicting yourself in the last two sentences. You say no work brought back in house, then you admit they get another line of heavy brought in house. Which is it? I'm personally not very knowledgable about the AS situation, or the ACA case.
I don't need to point out all of the failures of the IAM or the TWU, we all know them. If you want to compile a list of AMFA's 'failures', I'm sure a list at least double the size could be compiled for the IAM or the TWU.

 

[WNMECH]

OAK Heavy Maintenance at AS?
 
What about them losing the landmark case at ACA?
 
Inability to bring any work back in-house at WN for 700 planes,and only four lines of check?
 
One line brought back in-house for the right for WN to send planes overseas for overhaul.

Be more correct about WN, we have only 4 lines of heavy maintenance.
We still have multiple c-check  and mod lines. We have hangars all over and are not just line maintenance.
We Actually reduced our outsourcing when we went to the MSG3 program.
We will reduce outsourcing further when we implement our new EPIC maintenance program.
Also to be clear, the lines of maintenance that went to Aeroman (where USAIR has been sending their heavy lines to for years before WN), were already outsourced lines  just moved to Aeroman.
 
Facts remember, just the facts.

 

[Real tired]

Don't let the lack of voices on this forum fool you. WE ARE PISSED AND TURNING IN CARDS. 

Amen.
 
Good to hear.  
 
Keep us posted.

 

[WeAAsles]

Be more correct about WN, we have only 4 lines of heavy maintenance.
We still have multiple c-check  and mod lines. We have hangars all over and are not just line maintenance.
We Actually reduced our outsourcing when we went to the MSG3 program.
We will reduce outsourcing further when we implement our new EPIC maintenance program.
Also to be clear, the lines of maintenance that went to Aeroman (where USAIR has been sending their heavy lines to for years before WN), were already outsourced lines  just moved to Aeroman.
 
Facts remember, just the facts.

WN also did not go through BK court did they? I don't really blame any union who lost many things through that Kangaroo court. But one union did lose more than anyone else even if it's as some of you say with assistance.

 

[WNMECH]

 But one union did lose more than anyone else even if it's as some of you say with assistance.

 
If you are referring to AMFA at WN, please explain. We have lost nothing and keep on gaining.
 
If you are referring to NWA, I agree there was a lot of assistance in breaking the strike. But who would vote away more than half their jobs without a fight?
And who would do struck work when the worker were fighting?

 

[Real tired]

We voted for a strike. We also could never have passed any T/A. Each time we had come close to any T/A, NWA would lower the offer. The last offer on the table would have reduced the ranks by over 50%, all cleaners gone, and all employees left on payroll with a 25% paycut. None of us would have voted ourself out of a job. This is especially true when, if laid off, the pay to which you returned was less than when laid off. I have no regrets.

The biggest mistake we made was not letting NWA lock us out. Had we done CHAOS, they would have locked us out and we could have won the media war. We also would not have had so many scabs. The scabs did just enough to keep them flying. NWA never intended on coming to agreement with AMFA. All airlines had put NWA on notice. This with the help of the IAMAW who assisted them by agreeing to take on the work of us while on strike was a killer.

I watched IAM guys volunteer to go to other stations to get trained on how to service and start APU's, do pushbacks and aircraft repositions. They did this BEFORE the strike. I then watched, from the picket line, IAM rampers doing my duties from day one of the strike.

You guys get what you deserve if you vote for the IAM. I would go no union before having them on the property.

Uh oh.  Incoming.

 

[1AA]

Well its apparent you dont have one as you follow me from thread to thread and you mentioned me in your post and it had nothing to do with me posting here at all.
 
Selective memory?
 
This is a message board, you can fix an airplane, but you cant understand the concept of a message board?

No I do not follow you on every thread. I'm mostly on the aa and usair threads that have an interest to my craft or company.

 

[700UW]

See IAM Alaska Air 600 rampers in state of Alaska only. When the IAM does it it's okay, but WN AMFA it's not.

Josh

And once again you broke your promise not to post in a Mechanic and Related thread.
 
By funny you know the IAM took the case to arbitration and won, unlike AMFA who couldnt do anything.
 
And yes all those AS rampers got paid, cant say the same about the mechanics at AS, now can you?

 

[700UW]

And you do realize that US has been through chapter 11 twice and it took a bankruptcy to let them farm out work.
 
And to be more specific, HP was sending their planes to Aeroman, so after the merger and the second bankruptcy where our CBA was abrogated gave US the right to continue that practice.
 
And I really doubt ancillary duties, ie Receipt and Dispatch and Air Starts didnt break AMFA at NW.
 
No IAM member fixed a plane, overhauled a plane nor overhauled any aircraft parts.
 
And the ancillary language already existed in the IAM ESE/NW CBA.

 

[yoyodyne]

And you do realize that US has been through chapter 11 twice and it took a bankruptcy to let them farm out work.
 
And to be more specific, HP was sending their planes to Aeroman, so after the merger and the second bankruptcy where our CBA was abrogated gave US the right to continue that practice.
 
And I really doubt ancillary duties, ie Receipt and Dispatch and Air Starts didnt break AMFA at NW.
 
No IAM member fixed a plane, overhauled a plane nor overhauled any aircraft parts.
 
And the ancillary language already existed in the IAM ESE/NW CBA.

 
 
Don't let the facts get in your way...
 

 
You guys get what you deserve if you vote for the IAM. I would go no union before having them on the property.

 
 
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