AMFA - IAM - TWU for aircraft maintenance ?

[700UW]

Having been on US property for almost 20 years and being utility then a stock clerk, I seen the AMFA supporters on the property down and dont want to be on the same CBA and union as the "and relateds".

How did that work out at NW being on your own?

And the NMB has ruled on class and craft many times, and not once have they separated mechanics on their own class and craft.

 

[blue collar]

Having been on US property for almost 20 years and being utility then a stock clerk, I seen the AMFA supporters on the property down and dont want to be on the same CBA and union as the "and relateds".

How did that work out at NW being on your own?

And the NMB has ruled on class and craft many times, and not once have they separated mechanics on their own class and craft.

At WN stock clerks aren't part of class, only cleaners. There are always going to be people in every class who think they're better than others, that will never change, but it doesn't make it true.
You always seem to put AMFA down because of their loss at NWA, I guess you don't see the big picture that it was a loss for labor. Not a win for the IAM. Had the IAM been on the property, they would have been known to give the biggest concessions outside of bankruptcy: 50% head count reduction and 25% loss in pay for those remaining. Also not a win for labor.

 

[737823]

At WN stock clerks aren't part of class, only cleaners. There are always going to be people in every class who think they're better than others, that will never change, but it doesn't make it true.
You always seem to put AMFA down because of their loss at NWA, I guess you don't see the big picture that it was a loss for labor. Not a win for the IAM. Had the IAM been on the property, they would have been known to give the biggest concessions outside of bankruptcy: 50% head count reduction and 25% loss in pay for those remaining. Also not a win for labor.

I agree, 700 is the Overspeed of the IAM he always defends and rationalizes anything the IAM does when other criticize. While Kev supports the IAM he does share his criticism about the union and their leadership, all 700 does is attack and name call whenever people legitimately criticize the IAM. Kev agreed that the IAM shouldn't have added ready reserve CBA language at HA, agreed that busting AMFA was wrong.

Josh

 

[Kev3188]

Kev agreed that the IAM shouldn't have added ready reserve CBA language at AS...
Josh

Hawaiian, man, Hawaiian...

Apropos of nothing, I've always wondered why cleaners are part of the M&E class and craft, while stock clerks are not. I get that cleaners have a very different role in OH-or even base- maintenance facilities, but still...

 

[737823]

Hawaiian, man, Hawaiian...

Apropos of nothing, I've always wondered why cleaners are part of the M&E class and craft, while stock clerks are not. I get that cleaners have a very different role in OH-or even base- maintenance facilities, but still...

My mistake I knew that-corrected my post. I think WT is the one that keeps saying its AS.

Josh

 

[chellow]

Hawaiian, man, Hawaiian...

Apropos of nothing, I've always wondered why cleaners are part of the M&E class and craft, while stock clerks are not. I get that cleaners have a very different role in OH-or even base- maintenance facilities, but still...

Bac

Back in about the 60’s the IAM petitioned the NMB to include Auto, Cleaners, Ramp, Stock and everyone they represented to be included in the AMT Class Craft, at this time an upstart union ALMA was raiding the IAM at Eastern Airlines. The NMB met both parties half way and that’s how we we have the Mechanics and Related.

 

[700UW]

At US stock clerks are part of the mechanic and related craft and class.

 

[Kev3188]

Interesting, and thanks!

I guess I should've been clearer that I was specifically thinking of NW when I wrote that, since cleaners were with M & E, and stock clerks were with us on the ramp.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Probably the most intelligent post on here...Kev....I know we agree to disagree as you know I prefer a craft union but you most certainly see whats going on.

Kev has been and remains one of the most intelligent and articulate "spokesmen" for the labor movement on internet chat forums....

My mistake I knew that-corrected my post. I think WT is the one that keeps saying its AS.

Josh

I have indeed said that it was AS who let RRs in but I'm not sure why it matters which carrier did it... both AS and HA faced financial challenges which labor had to address and in both cases the unions gave the companies room to improve their financial situation - which ultimately has helped the remaining employees.

I'm not going to get into the argument about which union did a better job for which group.... but position has been and will continue to be that labor has little ability to fix a poorly run company or obtain benefits for employees that could not have otherwise been obtained.

Unions do have ability to ensure that labor benefits - if mgmt chooses a contentious relationship with labor and wouldn't otherwise have provided that.

There has been no example of a heavily unionized airline other than WN that has chosen not to maintain contentious labor relations. There have been two heavily non-union airlines in comparison - B6 and DL - that have chosen to pay their people well enough to keep their employees from believing labor representation is a better option than what they have.

Both methods work but all 3 are examples of well-run businesses, more than anything else.