AMFA Drive started in Tulsa ?

[Mr Red]

PhatDON used to say that a lot in the 1990s. What good that did us.

He always liked to talk about that BIG #### SANDWICH the company was
offering,10 years later its still the same!!!

 

[Frank Szabo]

He always liked to talk about that BIG #### SANDWICH the company was
offering,10 years later its still the same!!!

Here's a recipe for what he was talking about:

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Turd_burger

 

[lineguy43]

"Change from within?"

You are most certainly an international tool.
You can not change the structure of the twu. That is the problem.

Change from within that was the mantra of the IAm when they were at NW all the years I was there. Good luck with that "change from within". We couldn't do it. The IAm had so much contempt for the AMT group I am surprised they represent ANY AMT's at any airline. I was AMFA yes things went bad but a lot went good. I lost 17 yrs but am better off and make more than I ever did and I am NON-UNION. The TWu is a disgrace and should hang their head in shame. But there are defenders of the TWu on here and will back them no matter what.

 

[Buck]

Yes, however the TWU bases it's decisions on propagation of fear.

 

[thnkppl]

Just found a flyer on a break table.

It looks kind of familiar.

One paragraph blown up to cover the whole piece of paper.


" "AMFA is a collection of liars, failures and parasites," McCann said. "They were responsible for every mechanic losing their job at North West ( Airlines). They were booted out at United (Airlines). They agreed to off-shore maintenance jobs at Southwest (Airlines) in return for a little extra silver." "

 

[Buck]

Just found a flyer on a break table.

It looks kind of familiar.

One paragraph blown up to cover the whole piece of paper.


" "AMFA is a collection of liars, failures and parasites," McCann said. "They were responsible for every mechanic losing their job at North West ( Airlines). They were booted out at United (Airlines). They agreed to off-shore maintenance jobs at Southwest (Airlines) in return for a little extra silver." "

Yes I saw that also.

Let me see if I understand this theory?

If AMFA was responsible for all the mechanics at NWA losing their jobs, then the TWU is and will be responsible for any job losses at AA.

The question still not answered by the IBT raider, are the AFL-CIO children, the IBT and the TWU working in collusion to prevent a Democratic election from taking place.

 

[Realityck]

My perception was NWA purposely pushed the AMFA into a corner with their BS proposals and AMFA's mantra (Delle) was no givebacks etc.. While some alternative might have been found, the "no giveback - we'll strike" backed Delle into a strike. The No Vote issue sealed their fate.

Ken and a few others who post on this site said they did well. You've been very fortunate. Unfortunately, not all the NWA AMTs can say that.

 

[TWU informer]

My perception was NWA purposely pushed the AMFA into a corner with their BS proposals and AMFA's mantra (Delle) was no givebacks etc.. While some alternative might have been found, the "no giveback - we'll strike" backed Delle into a strike. The No Vote issue sealed their fate.

Ken and a few others who post on this site said they did well. You've been very fortunate. Unfortunately, not all the NWA AMTs can say that.

So you would have them cave in and take the company demand? Delle was always an advocate of staying inside and using chaos. Not sure why that wasn't tried but they did take a stand, just got shafted by IBT, TWU, and IAM provided scab labor.

If the industrial unions would not have provided scab labor and the rest of AMT's would not just sit back and watch that disgusting union busting take place, the outcome may well have been different.

It was more important to punish those AMT's for standing up, and protect docile unionism than to help them out.

It makes you wonder who's side the leaders of so-called "organized labor" are really on.

 

[xUT]

My perception was NWA purposely pushed the AMFA into a corner with their BS proposals and AMFA's mantra (Delle) was no givebacks etc.. While some alternative might have been found, the "no giveback - we'll strike" backed Delle into a strike. The No Vote issue sealed their fate.

Ken and a few others who post on this site said they did well. You've been very fortunate. Unfortunately, not all the NWA AMTs can say that.

IIRC,
NWA absolutely pushed AMFA into a corner. During the negotiation process, while crying poor mouth, they created 'scab schools' where they paid millions to house, train and pay scabs.

NWA also used the 'force majeure' clause when no other airline even attempted.
How did they get away with that?

Meanwhile, as AMFA reduced their 'ask' at each TA, NWA reduced the next TA even further.
The 'no givebacks - we'll strike' is totally false as AMFA conceded a couple of times before the strike and NWA reduced their ask each time. When do you say enough?

I find it interesting that that the gooberment released both parties in this case while they haven't in others. If I were a conspiracy enthusiast, I would be asking how NWA was broke but funded a scab school and then was released.

But that's just me.
B) xUT

 

[Realityck]

So you would have them cave in and take the company demand? Delle was always an advocate of staying inside and using chaos. Not sure why that wasn't tried but they did take a stand, just got shafted by IBT, TWU, and IAM provided scab labor.

Staying inside and working by the book may have been the only way to circumvent the company's strategy. Anticipating support from the other unions however, was probably wishful thinking since AMFA made numerous attempts to dump the IBT, TWU, and IAM on other properties. That type of activity doesn't tend to breed much Brotherhood and Solidarity among the competing organizations.

The solidarity did happen at Eastern though when the Pilots and TWU Flight Attendants refused to cross the IAM picket line and resulted in the demise of Eastern and it's arrogant management.

 

[TWU informer]

Staying inside and working by the book may have been the only way to circumvent the company's strategy. Anticipating support from the other unions however, was probably wishful thinking since AMFA made numerous attempts to dump the IBT, TWU, and IAM on other properties. That type of activity doesn't tend to breed much Brotherhood and Solidarity among the competing organizations.

You still just cannot grasp the idea that those AMT's at the carriers that went AMFA decided to leave via a Democratic Vote.

Yet, you keep blaming AMFA as if it is some foreign army trying to occupy your country with deadly force.

What part of ATM's want out of industrial unions do you not understand?

And you cannot seem to grasp that the IBT, the TWU, and the IAM assisted in supporting SCABS to bust a certified union in the aviation industry full of Maintenance Technicians. Why does that not disturb you one bit?

 

[odie01]

Thanks for your help in Tulsa Dave, we will do our part at AFW. The membership here know's that the IBT is just a BS ploy by the twu to water down the growing AMFA card drive.

 

[Realityck]

"And you cannot seem to grasp that the IBT, the TWU, and the IAM assisted in supporting SCABS to bust a certified union in the aviation industry full of Maintenance Technicians. Why does that not disturb you one bit?"


I guess you don't understand the point I was trying to make. Read it slowly and maybe it will sink in. The problem might be you've repeated the AMFA mantra so often you really believe it - "AMFA can stand alone and doesn't need anyone's help" - Really!

I'll say it again: Anticipating support from the other unions however, was probably wishful thinking since AMFA made numerous attempts to dump the IBT, TWU, and IAM on other properties. That type of activity doesn't tend to breed much Brotherhood and Solidarity among the competing organizations.

What don't you understand about that, It's not that complicated.

 

[blue collar]

IIRC,
NWA absolutely pushed AMFA into a corner. During the negotiation process, while crying poor mouth, they created 'scab schools' where they paid millions to house, train and pay scabs.

NWA also used the 'force majeure' clause when no other airline even attempted.
How did they get away with that?

Meanwhile, as AMFA reduced their 'ask' at each TA, NWA reduced the next TA even further.
The 'no givebacks - we'll strike' is totally false as AMFA conceded a couple of times before the strike and NWA reduced their ask each time. When do you say enough?

I find it interesting that that the gooberment released both parties in this case while they haven't in others. If I were a conspiracy enthusiast, I would be asking how NWA was broke but funded a scab school and then was released.

But that's just me.
B) xUT

No need to be a conspiracy enthusiast, we both know how that happened. And with the anti-union sentiment from the right, we might be seeing it again soon...

 

[AA89]

"And you cannot seem to grasp that the IBT, the TWU, and the IAM assisted in supporting SCABS to bust a certified union in the aviation industry full of Maintenance Technicians. Why does that not disturb you one bit?"


I guess you don't understand the point I was trying to make. Read it slowly and maybe it will sink in. The problem might be you've repeated the AMFA mantra so often you really believe it - "AMFA can stand alone and doesn't need anyone's help" - Really!

I'll say it again: Anticipating support from the other unions however, was probably wishful thinking since AMFA made numerous attempts to dump the IBT, TWU, and IAM on other properties. That type of activity doesn't tend to breed much Brotherhood and Solidarity among the competing organizations.

What don't you understand about that, It's not that complicated.

Mind if I cut in? 🙂

In this country we are allowed to vote for representatives from the local level to the national level of government. Why are the industrial union$ fighting so hard to keep AMFA off AA property? Why not let it come to a fair vote and see where the chips fall? ( By fair I mean accurate seniority lists etc.... )

As Informer said, the workers are organizing AMFA not the other way around. Don't we live in a Democratic society? The TWU should be able to stand on its record to preserve the representation of AA AMT's and not have to resort to underhanded tactics to defeat a competing union that is desired by the members.
You believe in Democracy don't you?