AMFA Drive started in Tulsa ?

[Ken MacTiernan]

Nitro,

Noticed that a lot of AMP guys are walking around with amfa cards. Are you kidding me? Do you really think this is the right time for this? This was tried before and failed.... Now you are going for another round ! After seeing the damage done to the AMT's at United and Northwest Keep your Cards!!

nitro,

If the twu is such a better union then why don't you just sign an AMFA card? Are you afraid the twu would lose in a representational election against AMFA? What do you fear? Democracy? Accountability? Fighting for what is right? I know you are writing from a prepared list from someone else because you don't have a clue about what you are writing about. What happened at UAL with AMFA? Just keep voting yes like you are told to do by Mr. Hewitt and everything will be okay.

Ken MacTiernan
AMT SAN

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Well.... Just not sure of Amfa track record. I know that the TWU doesn't have the best record but why go from one bad to another. Besides.. same people will be running AMFA

Okay, you can think for yourself. Admitting the twu is bad is the first step to realizing you are being robed from. Track record for AMFA? How far back do you want to go? Do you want to go back when AMFA represented airlines that had AMTs making more than we did at AA at that time (like now at Southwest and Alaska) with better contract language?

Track record of the twu is horrible. But the point is the twu is STRUCTURED undemocratically. Do you understand this point? What makes you think the same people will be running AMFA as those now in the twu at AA? There are many good people within the twu LOCALs that will be voted back into office because they are accountable. Do you think John Hewitt will be re-elected when AMFA gets in at AA? He isn't going to have the ability to be APPOINTED into the good old boy club because there is no good old boy club in AMFA.

You come here with questions about AMFA that is fine. But come with a mind that is able to understand the truth and facts as they are in reality not how the twu spins them.

 

[Vortilon]

I didn't mention TWU, someone else did. Trying to distract Tulsa and Alliance AMT's from the real AMFA philosophy?

In case you missed it, the FSC contract was approved so it has nothing to do with the AMT agreement. I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet.

Also, I stand by my comment that SWA AMT's are among the best in the industry. It's them, their management's philosophy, and not the AMFA friend. I call you friend because I assume you're an AMT as I am.

You just can't give up can you. Change your username, and here you are 5 posts later attempting to try - the tried and tested TWU method of pitting line against overhaul. As if that was not enough, you are now trying to pit AMTs at other carriers against us. You are beyond lame! AMTs don't talk like that, so I'll call BS on your post!

 

[Buck]

In case you missed it, the FSC contract was approved so it has nothing to do with the AMT agreement. I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet.

The fact that the FSC passed, really?

It is the use by the TWU of FSC against the Mechanics over the years that has kept the mechanics the lowest paid of the legacy carriers. That is but one reason why the TWU must be removed from the company's pocket.
If the FSC wants to keep the TWU, fine just do not make me stay.

 

[Realityck]

I guess I struck a nerve based on the response to some of my comments.

Just for your information, I'm an AMT with more than 40 years seniority so I'm very familiar with AMFA's philosophy of looking down on Overhaul Mechanics as second class citizens compared to Line AMT's. I've heard it expressed many times by Dell who founded the AMFA with Manchester and who I spoke to personally when he tried to convince me to join their organization. His statement at the time was "we're professionals, and once we separate ourselves from the other classifications, American will pay us accordingly". His words not mine. If any of you believe that one I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to show you.

Also, I did not change my user name and I have nothing but the highest respect for the SWA AMT's although you may disagree but then that's your prerogative. If you have a problem with that then deal with it.

 

[TWU informer]

I guess I struck a nerve based on the response to some of my comments.

Just for your information, I'm an AMT with more than 40 years seniority so I'm very familiar with AMFA's philosophy of looking down on Overhaul Mechanics as second class citizens compared to Line AMT's. I've heard it expressed many times by Dell who founded the AMFA with Manchester and who I spoke to personally when he tried to convince me to join their organization. His statement at the time was "we're professionals, and once we separate ourselves from the other classifications, American will pay us accordingly". His words not mine. If any of you believe that one I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to show you.

Also, I did not change my user name and I have nothing but the highest respect for the SWA AMT's although you may disagree but then that's your prerogative. If you have a problem with that then deal with it.

The first simple question that I ask of the noobs that show up bashing AMFA...

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? or do you even have one?


Also Dell's "other classifications was never referenced towards overhaul. Overhaul and Line are in the same craft or class. Dell was talking about Fleet Service and Stock Clerks.

 

[Buck]

Could you go into detail of this looking down ? What airline was it at and when did it happen?

I hope someone with your tenure would not lie to the mechanics attempting change through a Democratic process. If you are still an active employee and believe so strongly in the SWA mechanics, you could divulge your name and step up and help us have that election.

I would hope that through your leadership, you will keep us young whipper snappers inline.

 

[High Speed Steel]

The first simple question that I ask of the noobs that show up bashing AMFA...

WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION? or do you even have one?


Also Dell's "other classifications was never referenced towards overhaul. Overhaul and Line are in the same craft or class. Dell was talking about Fleet Service and Stock Clerks.

Overhaul and the Line may very well be in the same class and craft but once McTiernan retrieved Delle Fem for me at the Old Lady on Brady I asked Delle about my seniority exorcising rights under AMFA. He told me I had to have 3 months in I believe the past 3 years to what AMFA declares as the "Branch of the Trade" which is hanger work or AO in order to exorcise my seniority in the event of a RIF. Since I have never worked in the hangers I would have no right to exorcise my seniority out there under AMFA. So going with AMFA I would be forfeiting my rights. Perhaps this is why you Informer had volunteered to work in AO on a Super 80 phone mod a few years back trying to get your 3 months in the "Branch of the Trade"....eh? Informer

 

[lineguy43]

Overhaul and the Line may very well be in the same class and craft but once McTiernan retrieved Delle Fem for me at the Old Lady on Brady I asked Delle about my seniority exorcising rights under AMFA. He told me I had to have 3 months in I believe the past 3 years to what AMFA declares as the "Branch of the Trade" which is hanger work or AO in order to exorcise my seniority in the event of a RIF. Since I have never worked in the hangers I would have no right to exorcise my seniority out there under AMFA. So going with AMFA I would be forfeiting my rights. Perhaps this is why you Informer had volunteered to work in AO on a Super 80 phone mod a few years back trying to get your 3 months in the "Branch of the Trade"....eh? Informer

Well you just go ahead and stick with your TWu since they are doing such a good job for you.. Me personally I make more as a non-union guy then I did union. I make 47.87 an hr right now. But I know I make this thanks to AMFA and that 2001 contract at NWA and for no other reason. Yeah I lost 17 yrs at NWA but hey got the world by the balls right now. They did me a favor. You guys are pathetic!

 

[1AA]

Some obvious things that people tend to overlook -

The AMFA philosophy has always been Line Maintenance 1st, and Overhaul last. I'm surprised Tulsa hasn't figured it out yet.

Funny how the AMFA drive was started in Tulsa. A overhaul base. So much for your theory. Opps I meant FEAR!!

 

[swamt]

Funny how the AMFA drive was started in Tulsa. A overhaul base. So much for your theory. Opps I meant FEAR!!

Hey guys, this realityck guy is way out of line. Here at SWA, with AMFA, both line and overhaul, or hanger maint, however you want to call it, are all treated the same. No preference what so ever. This guy does not know what he is talking about. AMFA does not operate this way at all. I will tell you all this, if you have any questions about any kind of representation by AMFA, just pick up the phone or E-mail AMFA National. They will take the time to discuss anything and everything with you. Take the time to research this stuff yourselves, it will pay off in the long run. We are EXTREMELY happy over here at SWA with AMFA. Never looking back now!! Good luck gentlemen...

 

[TWU informer]

Overhaul and the Line may very well be in the same class and craft but once McTiernan retrieved Delle Fem for me at the Old Lady on Brady I asked Delle about my seniority exorcising rights under AMFA. He told me I had to have 3 months in I believe the past 3 years to what AMFA declares as the "Branch of the Trade" which is hanger work or AO in order to exorcise my seniority in the event of a RIF. Since I have never worked in the hangers I would have no right to exorcise my seniority out there under AMFA. So going with AMFA I would be forfeiting my rights. Perhaps this is why you Informer had volunteered to work in AO on a Super 80 phone mod a few years back trying to get your 3 months in the "Branch of the Trade"....eh? Informer

You are a common liar......period

 

[Vortilon]

I guess I struck a nerve based on the response to some of my comments.

Just for your information, I'm an AMT with more than 40 years seniority so I'm very familiar with AMFA's philosophy of looking down on Overhaul Mechanics as second class citizens compared to Line AMT's. I've heard it expressed many times by Dell who founded the AMFA with Manchester and who I spoke to personally when he tried to convince me to join their organization. His statement at the time was "we're professionals, and once we separate ourselves from the other classifications, American will pay us accordingly". His words not mine. If any of you believe that one I have a bridge in Brooklyn I want to show you.

Also, I did not change my user name and I have nothing but the highest respect for the SWA AMT's although you may disagree but then that's your prerogative. If you have a problem with that then deal with it.

I'll deal with it NOOBIE, you're a phoney - what is known as a troll. There are not too many wrinkle necks around with your seniority, especially ones that give a crap about the TWU representing the AMTs at AA. More than likely you're a TWU international parasite - ripping off AA AMTs. Time to retire old timer.....

 

[Jager]

"Real Tic" is a plant..

 

[swamt]

TWU informer,
I'm a little currious why AA is not listed on AMFA National web site as an airline that they are organizing. They still only list UAL/CAL as the ones currently being organized. You might send an E-mail to Louie or Floyd to see if they can add AA to the list, it may generate more traffic from your fellow AA'ers. Sure hope you guys get this done.