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Ken MacTiernan
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Posted: Feb 1 2004, 07:22 PM
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QUOTE (MCI AFL-CIO @ Feb 1 2004, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE (AMFAMAN @ Feb 1 2004, 01:01 AM)
QUOTE (j7915 @ Feb 1 2004, 01:09 AM)
My concern is that I may have to work OT to help turn the lights out. So worry about your own tool box.
It will be okay, the world will not end. A motion at local 12 will be made to bring in Dr. Phil to help out the former twu officers.
What would be the local at MCI? Who wll be organizing and leading the MCI CHapter?
There will be no local for MCI because there will be no MCI.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------mojo, if there is to be no MCI that will be because AA will close it. Not the twu or AMFA. If AA closes MCI it will be up to the twu or AMFA to fight this. I would rather have AMFA fight for AMTs. But then AMFA will be fighting with a twu negotiated contract.
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QUOTE (MCI AFL-CIO @ Feb 1 2004, 11:24 AM)
QUOTE (AMFAMAN @ Feb 1 2004, 01:01 AM)
QUOTE (j7915 @ Feb 1 2004, 01:09 AM)
My concern is that I may have to work OT to help turn the lights out. So worry about your own tool box.
It will be okay, the world will not end. A motion at local 12 will be made to bring in Dr. Phil to help out the former twu officers.
What would be the local at MCI? Who wll be organizing and leading the MCI CHapter?
There will be no local for MCI because there will be no MCI.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------mojo, if there is to be no MCI that will be because AA will close it. Not the twu or AMFA. If AA closes MCI it will be up to the twu or AMFA to fight this. I would rather have AMFA fight for AMTs. But then AMFA will be fighting with a twu negotiated contract.
8848 Total Signed Election Authorization Cards by Station and Title Group:
Updated, Saturday January 31, 2004 at 02
55 PM. Our goal is to obtain 60% of the Craft and Class of
Mechanic and Related, and at this time, our estimate of that number, with 'elbow room' is approximately 9,621 cards.
Using that number, at this time, we are about 92.0% to our goal, or approximately 55.3% of our Craft and Class. Good job so far, and let's
REDOUBLE our efforts and GET THIS DONE!
Victory is at hand:jerry:
hey when AMFA gets in can we ban CIO for life like the TWU did to Dan C. ? :unsure:
that will be the first motion I will make at our first Union Meeting to ban
CIO from AMFA for life.
We all know who you are CIO
:jerry:
Updated, Saturday January 31, 2004 at 02
55 PM. Our goal is to obtain 60% of the Craft and Class of Mechanic and Related, and at this time, our estimate of that number, with 'elbow room' is approximately 9,621 cards.
Using that number, at this time, we are about 92.0% to our goal, or approximately 55.3% of our Craft and Class. Good job so far, and let's
REDOUBLE our efforts and GET THIS DONE!
Victory is at hand:jerry:
hey when AMFA gets in can we ban CIO for life like the TWU did to Dan C. ? :unsure:
that will be the first motion I will make at our first Union Meeting to ban
CIO from AMFA for life.
We all know who you are CIO
:jerry:
Your victory doesn't begin untill AMFA is voted in, or am I missingsomething here? Please feel free to find victory in any form as you might, but fact is, there is no vote yet to be taken.
Also, is there a victory yet for NWA furloughed employees? Delle stated in September "It will be a couple of months" Did he mean years? Who is feeding those proud AMFA brothers...Delle? Feel free to list the victories you can claim. Allow me to start this off for you organizers.
1. The ability to get disgruntled mechanics to sign in times of regression of our profession. Knowing they would have signed a blank card during these circumstances.
*Your turn*
Also, is there a victory yet for NWA furloughed employees? Delle stated in September "It will be a couple of months" Did he mean years? Who is feeding those proud AMFA brothers...Delle? Feel free to list the victories you can claim. Allow me to start this off for you organizers.
1. The ability to get disgruntled mechanics to sign in times of regression of our profession. Knowing they would have signed a blank card during these circumstances.
*Your turn*
Seguro said:
Very well said ..........
This is like saying that those disgruntled Patriots at the Boston Tea Party were only able to recruit more members to their cause, during times of regression.
Of course, it is not possible that the British caused the regression.
Not to worry, the stupid mechanics will not figure this one out.
Now cross your fingers and pray.
Your turn.
Boston Tea Party? I'm sorry but I do not see the closest resemblance to my statement. Name me two times AMFA has sought representation when another union wasn't in power. I can think of one, but the majority is during times of regression and adversity. Please list AMFA's attributes instead of TWU's negatives. And please. enough of the 25 member BS, enough of the Democracy, the TWU is much more Democratic if you have the ability to read.
Fact is, AMFA has blown any chance of ever being AFL-CIO affiliated. Fact is, AMFA has allowed 45% of NWA to hit the cheese line. Fact is, Deele DID NOT want to face his AMFA members, whether they were IAM previously or not, they were his members. Why does AMFA have disgruntled members?
Fact is, AMFA has blown any chance of ever being AFL-CIO affiliated. Fact is, AMFA has allowed 45% of NWA to hit the cheese line. Fact is, Deele DID NOT want to face his AMFA members, whether they were IAM previously or not, they were his members. Why does AMFA have disgruntled members?
Tell that to the members of Local 562.Seguro said:
In the TWU unelected, unaccountable officials can remove any elected official they want to. How is that Democratic?
Have you ever been to a TWU Convention? I have. Read the minutes of the 2001 Convention where Sonny calls for a vote with two AYES, declares the Ayes have it and when questioned as to which ayes says you can determine that if you ever get up here.
Read about the distribution of literature at every delegates seat while the delegation was at lunch calling Sonnys opposition Communists and friends of Bin Laden.
Read as Sonny lies about responsiblity for it after it backfired. The same people that Sonny was calling friends of bin Laden were cited as heros during 9-11 and credited with saving hundreds of lives by getting evacuees out from under the Towers by subway. They stopped to pick these people up after being told to bypass the station. When they saw all those people standing there they were compelled to stop and save them.
Read about how Sonny lied to the delegation about finding out who was responsible and holding them accountable. It was reported months later that Roger Taust wrote it and Bakala's security distributed it. Sonny apparently did nothing to these two clowns. (Ironically members from the Local 234 EB told me that back in the 60s Taust was a member of some Communist group in Philadelphia).
Taust has gone from being Red to baiting Red. You suppose that his six figure, unaccountable, appointed postion has altered his political perspective?
Go on now. You claim you can read. Go ahead and do it.
Ken MacTiernan
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Your victory doesn't begin untill AMFA is voted in, or am I missingsomething here? Please feel free to find victory in any form as you might, but fact is, there is no vote yet to be taken.
Also, is there a victory yet for NWA furloughed employees? Delle stated in September "It will be a couple of months" Did he mean years? Who is feeding those proud AMFA brothers...Delle? Feel free to list the victories you can claim. Allow me to start this off for you organizers.
1. The ability to get disgruntled mechanics to sign in times of regression of our profession. Knowing they would have signed a blank card during these circumstances.
*Your turn*
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Seguro, the twu claims that AMFA is a splinter group. A small union with only a couple of small airlines. AMFA Organizers will never get enough cards/interest at AA to file. Seems as if the twu has been wrong about AMFA all along. Trust me Seguro, there will be a filing with the NMB for a vote at AA. When? Soon enough. I'll tell you that it will be before March 17th though. The best thing about AMFA beating the twu in an election that can not be manipulated by the twu is that it will be done on Jim Little's watch!
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Your victory doesn't begin untill AMFA is voted in, or am I missingsomething here? Please feel free to find victory in any form as you might, but fact is, there is no vote yet to be taken.
Also, is there a victory yet for NWA furloughed employees? Delle stated in September "It will be a couple of months" Did he mean years? Who is feeding those proud AMFA brothers...Delle? Feel free to list the victories you can claim. Allow me to start this off for you organizers.
1. The ability to get disgruntled mechanics to sign in times of regression of our profession. Knowing they would have signed a blank card during these circumstances.
*Your turn*
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Seguro, the twu claims that AMFA is a splinter group. A small union with only a couple of small airlines. AMFA Organizers will never get enough cards/interest at AA to file. Seems as if the twu has been wrong about AMFA all along. Trust me Seguro, there will be a filing with the NMB for a vote at AA. When? Soon enough. I'll tell you that it will be before March 17th though. The best thing about AMFA beating the twu in an election that can not be manipulated by the twu is that it will be done on Jim Little's watch!
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Does anyone know the timeline of the election process after the cards are given to the government?
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Weeel lets see,Seguro said:
AMFA supporters at Delta have sought represention (non-union), (and AMFA also won ACA, non-union I believe) but Delta has their own true believers (in the company), Atlanta, that think the company will look out for them so they don't need a union. Didn't the twu International try and fail to sucker Delta M@E and Delta rejected them? Yes, I believe so.
You know for a fact Seguro that AMFA at NWA is fighting the layoffs at NWA. Of course, you refuse to acknowledge it. You also know that artbitrators take their sweet time making decisions, as they know they are setting a trend for the whole industry. Yet you twu believers blame Dell and AMFA for the delay which is beyond AMFA's control. The lies never end with the twu.
The twu is much more democratic? WOW!!! Thats a GREAT BIG one!!!!! I've never seen AMFA just appoint national officers because they were buddies with Dell. I've never heard of AMFA saying "Oh yeah, the vote was tainted, but you pee-on's just accept these concessions anyway, we know whats best for you and the company is hurting". AMFA has never gone after a local officer that the membership has duly elected, and taken him out, because thats what Dell wanted. Do you read the words you type????
Since you like to read Seguro, I have a book for you. Its called "Taking Care of Business, Samuel Gompers, George Meany, Lane Kirkland and The Tragedy of American Labor" by Paul Buhle. Read it and tell us if you think the afl-cio is not the most corrupt organizations known to man. If you still think AMFA should try to join them, you should really seek a mental health professional.
"AMFA has allowed 45% of NWA to hit the cheese line" Another blatent twu lie. Will one of you twu Officers PLEASE put that in writing and sign it so I can take it to the NMB? P-L-E-A-S-E? I didn't think so!!!!
Has the twu "ALLOWED" 2000+ AA mechanics to "hit the cheese line"???? YES!!!! No arbitration case I've seen!!!!!! Why does the twu have disgruntled members??? Can You SAY SELLOUT after SELLOUT after SELLOUT, after.........???? :angry: :angry: :angry:
C'mon now Hackman, anyone knows that if AMFA wasn't fighting the furloughs there would be law suits. And this is supposed to make me feel more secure in my future if AMFA prevails...NOT!. I do not refuse to acknowledge it, I ridicule it man! THEY WILL NOT RETURN TO A&P EMPLOYMENT!. Their work went to Singapore, with an ungrievable 38% cap!!!!! Does that sink in just a teeny bit?
Your whole argument as I see it is that Owens and Schalk got the boot. Here's an old newsflash, "They deserved it!". I met Schalk in TULE recently, probably under different circumstances I could speak with him , but, bottomline is, HE REVOKED HIS OATH!. He did seem to be a nice guy and I wish it he would have represented differently, but again, had the TWU turned it's head they would have been at fault. There is no good answer to his dilema.
Prove me wrong on the 45% having no jobs at NWA. I wish you luck, for if I'm wrong then more prosper.
Your whole argument as I see it is that Owens and Schalk got the boot. Here's an old newsflash, "They deserved it!". I met Schalk in TULE recently, probably under different circumstances I could speak with him , but, bottomline is, HE REVOKED HIS OATH!. He did seem to be a nice guy and I wish it he would have represented differently, but again, had the TWU turned it's head they would have been at fault. There is no good answer to his dilema.
Prove me wrong on the 45% having no jobs at NWA. I wish you luck, for if I'm wrong then more prosper.
After the filing is made it will take about 4-6 weeks for the card verification process as well as the challenges that will be made by the TWU, AMFA and the Company.Leading Edge said:
Then the NMB will determine if there are enough cards for a representational election. If they call for a vote, it will take about 4 weeks for the voting.
Immediately after the voting is over and the votes are counted, the winner will take over with out delay. Hope that answered your question.
VOTE A.M.F.A.
