AMFA at AA- consolidated thread

[usairways_vote_NO]

Your an idiot if you think AA, TWU and possibly the teamsters were not working together on this. Tell you what, give us one freakin example of when any airline company has ever produced, I repeat, EVER produced eligibility list the same day a union has filed for a representational election. Matter fact I will give you a week. AA/TWU produced the list within 6 freakin hours!! Show us when this has EVER happened so quickly in the past, in the history since aviation started... You cannot.

Wanna bet? How is this example that includes AMFA and AA?

Doncha think AMFA should have been ready since they already been through this before????

March 12, 2004 a Friday at 15:40pm AMFA presents NMB with apllication and signed authorization cards.

March 15, 2004 a Monday the NMB assigns case number R-6998 and within hours AA presents the NMB with eligibility list and signature samples.

BOOM Your conspiracy theory blown to bits. Apology accepted

http://www.airlinefo...line-of-events/

http://www.nmb.gov/r...2004/31n111.pdf

http://home.comcast....aa/previous.htm

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Tell me how to have AMFA win the election when the NMB has officially ruled that AMFA will not be allowed on the ballot? Are you so busy making this personal that you fail to even see the facts that are being discussed to begin with? OMG

IF you are talking about a write in AMFA campaign that will happen without much effort. Truth is IBT doesnt have the cards required and never did.

Head meet sand..you just continue your big conspiracy theory, anti american rhetoric and politicalization

 

[Flying low]

Tell me how to have AMFA win the election when the NMB has officially ruled that AMFA will not be allowed on the ballot? Are you so busy making this personal that you fail to even see the facts that are being discussed to begin with? OMG

IF you are talking about a write in AMFA campaign that will happen without much effort. Truth is IBT doesnt have the cards required and never did.

Everyone keeps saying that the ibt doesn't have the cards and I'd like to believe it, but I see more teamster shirts than amfa shirts in the hangers. Time will tell....

 

[Flying low]

Your an idiot if you think AA, TWU and possibly the teamsters were not working together on this. Tell you what, give us one freakin example of when any airline company has ever produced, I repeat, EVER produced eligibility list the same day a union has filed for a representational election. Matter fact I will give you a week. AA/TWU produced the list within 6 freakin hours!! Show us when this has EVER happened so quickly in the past, in the history since aviation started... You cannot.

Wanna bet? How is this example that includes AMFA and AA?

Doncha think AMFA should have been ready since they already been through this before????

March 12, 2004 a Friday at 15:40pm AMFA presents NMB with apllication and signed authorization cards.

March 15, 2004 a Monday the NMB assigns case number R-6998 and within hours AA presents the NMB with eligibility list and signature samples.

BOOM Your conspiracy theory blown to bits. Apology accepted

http://www.airlinefo...line-of-events/

http://www.nmb.gov/r...2004/31n111.pdf

http://home.comcast....aa/previous.htm

The way I read this, SWAMT stated that no airline produced a list the same day a union filed for representational election. In your example AMFA filed on March 12, 2004 a Friday at 15:40pm, AA produced the eligibility papers on March 15, 2004 after the NMB assigned a case number. Is that really the SAME DAY??

 

[iluvaa]

Head meet sand..you just continue your big conspiracy theory, anti american rhetoric and politicalization

never seen you on the American board before 2 days ago is your sole purpose here to be the biggest Di*k that you can possibly be, if so you've succeeded.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

The way I read this, SWAMT stated that no airline produced a list the same day a union filed for representational election. In your example AMFA filed on March 12, 2004 a Friday at 15:40pm, AA produced the eligibility papers on March 15, 2004 after the NMB assigned a case number. Is that really the SAME DAY??

Don't care. I proved my point to every mechanic. Prior AMFA and AA history shows AMFA should have had their documents across the street from NMB offices and been ready to submit at a moments notice.

There was no collusion. AMFA failed you plain and simple.

I blew you away with the facts. But you just go ahead and play the spin game.

 

[Vortilon]

The way I see it, AA fears AMFA getting in the most. Keeping the company union TWU would be a dream come true for AA. The IBT would be more of the same - back door deals with the company, no accountability, take whats left of our frozen pension money from AA, and throw it into the mix with the failing IBT run pension plans. Guess what, you get to pay an extra $350.00 per year in dues money for that. Yeah, the Teamsters have a strike fund - what good is that gonna do us? Pay extra for organizing? - Not our problem.

Look at what the IBT did to get on the ballot - that speaks volumes about their character - devious, conniving, douche nozzles!

I will be writing AMFA in!

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

never seen you on the American board before 2 days ago is your sole purpose here to be the biggest Di*k that you can possibly be, if so you've succeeded.

If facts make me the biggest then so be it.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

The way I see it, AA fears AMFA getting in the most. Keeping the company union TWU would be a dream come true for AA. The IBT would be more of the same - back door deals with the company, no accountability, take whats left of our frozen pension money from AA, and throw it into the mix with the failing IBT run pension plans. Guess what, you get to pay an extra $350.00 per year in dues money for that. Yeah, the Teamsters have a strike fund - what good is that gonna do us? Pay extra for organizing? - Not our problem.

Look at what the IBT did to get on the ballot - that speaks volumes about their character - devious, conniving, douche nozzles!

I will be writing AMFA in!

To think any airline is scared of any union over another union is adsurb and a pipe dream at best.

 

[TWU informer]

To think any airline is scared of any union over another union is adsurb and a pipe dream at best.

How about you stop attacking every post on here and spell out in detail your plan to change what is happening to the AMT profession. What should we do is detail to reverse the decimation? Easy to sit and keystroke attack after attack after attack, but please share with us your solutions?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

All the back and forth statements of what happened this time around v/s the last is going to get all of us NOWHERE. It will just create more animosity between groups of AMT's. Whether it be line v/s Base or carrier v/s carrier.

AA and its legal team knew what they were doing, they beat us. Do you really believe that AA, is going to let any union come here and replace the TWU?. It's like having your own savings account. The TWU just contributes contract after contract.

AMFA maybe did not see the 3.3 section I don't know, do I believe the IBT knew about it as well, maybe. But we all will see when the NMB rules about the cards that the IBT did turn in for an election here at AA.

If there is an election then the IBT did a better job than us. Then we will see how many even vote. BUT if the NMB determines that they are short, then we will know it was the plan all along, just to stop our AMFA movement. We were told that the TWU brought the IBT in to help kill the amfa drive, but it seems to have back fired on them. Hoffa and his gang are trying to take AA and USAir. So what does the TWU and IAM come back with, an association. With support from the AFL-CIO. Just a way to keep the dues coming. Scared that the IBT will take the $7.2Million plus dues from them.

If & when the NMB determines that the IBT is short, no vote the TWU and IAM will fill our mail boxes with junk telling us how great this alliance will be. The IBT will come back and say AA got them as well with inflated numbers. Knowing that they will have a second chance if they win at USAirways. Because they will be able to say we got robbed by AA last time but we are the union on the property at USAir this time so if you really want the TWU gone sign a card and we will be your union, we fight for you.

We will again know soon if they even had enough cards there as well right after the USAir mgmt turns in the required info to verify numbers and cards to the NMB.

By turning in the info when AA did it shut off any more acquisition of cards by the IBT, and it created a small window for AMFA to get the original docs to Washington DC.
AMFA per the NMB did not make it in time, so AA and it's legal team at that point killed the AMFA drive as well. Brilliant move on their part, check and mate.

The merger will then happen late Sept. early Oct. the association will be in place the AFL-CIO/TWU/IAM will do all they can to keep that in place. (with AA's help)

Any further campaigns to remove them will now require cards from both AA and USAir mechanics and complete cooperation between both groups.
But this will be hard since we all know we can't even get our own crew to stick together, by not working O/T just for one week.

It's a shame when big corporations and big unions work together to keep the working men/woman of the USA down. If you think that AA and the TWU screwed you before. Just wait, they now can say we took from them and they still did nothing, NOW (WE) can do what ever we want to them they are a defeated.

I have and always will support the philosophy of AMFA, a union for mechanics, separate from the other work groups a craft union. I did not and will not sign a IBT card. I also will not vote for the IBT just to remove the TWU, even though I hate what the TWU has done to the mechanics here at AA.

Thanks to all of you who did sign AMFA cards and all the organizers and supporters who gave us hope this time, in our attempt to remove the TWU.

 

[enough already]

The way I see it, AA fears AMFA getting in the most. Keeping the company union TWU would be a dream come true for AA. The IBT would be more of the same - back door deals with the company, no accountability, take whats left of our frozen pension money from AA, and throw it into the mix with the failing IBT run pension plans. Guess what, you get to pay an extra $350.00 per year in dues money for that. Yeah, the Teamsters have a strike fund - what good is that gonna do us? Pay extra for organizing? - Not our problem.

Look at what the IBT did to get on the ballot - that speaks volumes about their character - devious, conniving, douche nozzles!

I will be writing AMFA in!

I probably would enjoy your posts, but they're to big of a pain in the ass to read with that font. Just sayin....

 

[FWAAA]

The liars and frauds at the IBT think they've won a victory, but if everyone who signed an AMFA card simply writes in "AMFA" on their ballot (assuming that the IBT actually gets an election), then all of this will be "no harm, no foul."

AMFA organizers/supporters should double their efforts to educate their colleagues in the days ahead on how to remove TWU and prevent the Teamsters from winning.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

The liars and frauds at the IBT think they've won a victory, but if everyone who signed an AMFA card simply writes in "AMFA" on their ballot (assuming that the IBT actually gets an election), then all of this will be "no harm, no foul."

AMFA organizers/supporters should double their efforts to educate their colleagues in the days ahead on how to remove TWU and prevent the Teamsters from winning.

Try to understand this.....THERE WIL NOT BE A BALLOT TO WRITE ON. It will be telephone or internet. Educate AMFA supportors with the correct information and stop giving out false information. READ THE REPRESENTATION MANUAL its there for a reason. Ask AMFA

 

[FWAAA]

Try to understand this.....THERE WIL NOT BE A BALLOT TO WRITE ON. It will be telephone or internet. Educate AMFA supportors with the correct information and stop giving out false information. READ THE REPRESENTATION MANUAL its there for a reason. Ask AMFA

My bad.

Now you can return to the pedantic OCD activity (along with 700UW) of correcting people when they say "US Air" instead of "US Airways."