AMFA at AA- consolidated thread

[usairways_vote_NO]

So, what you're saying is, there's nothing unusual about AA tripping over themselves to provide the NMB the signatures of eligible voters within hours? Unlike Teamster and TWU supporters, AMFA supporters tend to be more independent - not the sheeple type! What just happened is, you turds just bought your catch all commie unions a little more time. My hate for the Teamsters and TWU has just doubled.

AA knew the filing was coming thanks to the loud mouths and the IBT filing at U recently. The IBT filed in the morning and AMFA had more then enough time to get the application and the cards in before 4pm. They should have known the rules.This obviously isn't a merger filing. There was no reason or excuse for confusion.

Put the blame where it belongs and stop looking for a grassy knoll.

 

[Anomaly]

AA knew the filing was coming thanks to the loud mouths and the IBT filing at U recently. The IBT filed in the morning and AMFA had more then enough time to get the application and the cards in before 4pm. They should have known the rules.This obviously isn't a merger filing. There was no reason or excuse for confusion.

Put the blame where it belongs and stop looking for a grassy knoll.

amfa is made up of independent thinkers. Unfortunately for their supporters, many independent thinkers tend to miss the small important matters, such as deadlines.

FAIL

I doubt they had enough cards anyway. Otherwise, why the change in file dates to June 14?

FAIL again

 

[CIO]

I wrote a few Days ago that Amfa would fail again! This has passed. Amfa lacked the cards to file and pre planned this hoping for sympathy! If you look back in history AA files almost immediately. I believed informer complained about some of the cards last time were excluded for submitting late.

Insolidarity,
CIO

 

[swamt]

AA knew the filing was coming thanks to the loud mouths and the IBT filing at U recently. The IBT filed in the morning and AMFA had more then enough time to get the application and the cards in before 4pm. They should have known the rules.This obviously isn't a merger filing. There was no reason or excuse for confusion.

Put the blame where it belongs and stop looking for a grassy knoll.

Your an idiot if you think AA, TWU and possibly the teamsters were not working together on this. Tell you what, give us one freakin example of when any airline company has ever produced, I repeat, EVER produced eligibility list the same day a union has filed for a representational election. Matter fact I will give you a week. AA/TWU produced the list within 6 freakin hours!! Show us when this has EVER happened so quickly in the past, in the history since aviation started... You cannot.

 

[swamt]

I wrote a few Days ago that Amfa would fail again! This has passed. Amfa lacked the cards to file and pre planned this hoping for sympathy! If you look back in history AA files almost immediately. I believed informer complained about some of the cards last time were excluded for submitting late.

Insolidarity,
CIO

When a union has to reserve itself to tactics and collusion in order to keep AMFA out, SPEAKS VOLUMES FOR AMFA'S REPUTATION!!!

 

[Rusty]

No violations of anything. Face it AMFA screwed up. Even in AMFA release they say they first filed electronically. That is violation of rules and didn't count.

Applications
Applications for the services of the NMB under Section 2, Ninth, to investigate representation disputes among a carriers’ employees must be made on Form NMB-1, available from the NMB’s Office of Legal Affairs or at www.nmb.gov. Only applications with original signatures submitted to the NMB’s office in Washington, DC, and accompanied by original authorization cards will be accepted. Applications and authorization cards will not be accepted by facsimile or electronic mail. The application must meet the following requirements set forth in NMB Rules §1203.2 (29 CFR §1203.2):
1) It must be signed by the chief executive officer of the international or national organization or other specifically designated and authorized officers.
2) It must specify the craft or class of employees and the estimated number of employees in the craft or class.
3) It must identify whether there is an incumbent representative.
4) It must be accompanied by signed authorization cards from the employees in the craft or class in dispute. The authorizations must comply with the requirements in Manual Sections 3.0 and 18.0 and NMB Rules § 1206.4 (29 CFR § 1206.4).

http://www.nmb.gov/r...tion-manual.pdf

http://www.nmb.gov/d...s1099.html#1206

AMFA would have been an intervenor on the ballot, not the applicant. And of course the applicant would take their cards and application to apply. Nice try but, try again!!!

 

[Rusty]

We need to start a write in campaign. Regardless of belief of an election or not. If their happens to be an election we could win it outright with 50% + 1. Even If we don't win it outright their would be a runoff election and we would be on the run off ballot unless the IBT were to get 50% + 1, which I think would be impossible for them. If there is not an election the ibt is going to take a deadly hit. The ibt did not go a full year to collect more cards for some reason. lol

 

[TWU informer]

How does any Union Leadership justify continuation of representation by pulling out political ploys to prevent the membership from getting a ballot with desired options to vote for or against?

I mean think about it, how strong can any union be if they only exist by preventing the membership from replacing them? Now we continue with a weak union, only because the leadership would rather protect their own appointed and overpaid positions than allow the membership will to be done.

About as Anti-American as it gets, and obvioulsy management of "American" Airlines is in on the scam to protect their toy union.

I am not as angry this time, I am more shocked that the membership and the citizens of the United States will actually stand for such tyranny in this Country.

 

[TWU informer]

amfa is made up of independent thinkers. Unfortunately for their supporters, many independent thinkers tend to miss the small important matters, such as deadlines.

FAIL

I doubt they had enough cards anyway. Otherwise, why the change in file dates to June 14?

FAIL again

Yeah, independent thinking really sucks. Far better to live by the Unelected Dictator ruling authority. Why would the ploy be to keep AMFA off the ballot? Why not allow the membership that choice and let them decide? Is it because those damn independent thinkers you so hate, might choose something different than you and the other unelected and overpaid stooges would prefer?

 

[TWU informer]

I wrote a few Days ago that Amfa would fail again! This has passed. Amfa lacked the cards to file and pre planned this hoping for sympathy! If you look back in history AA files almost immediately. I believed informer complained about some of the cards last time were excluded for submitting late.

Insolidarity,
CIO

AMFA hasn't failed. The idea still has yet to be tried because you and the other stooges of the labor movement allow political ploys to be used to insure the membership never has the final say. No wonder organized labor is being decimated in this country and the younger workers could care less about ever joining one. Who could blame them given the tactics and history? Keep blaming someone or something else though, it makes you feel so much better inside to do so.

 

[TWU informer]

Dude get over it and stick to the facts. The facts are the NMB denied AMFA because AMFA didn't read the rule book and got bit

And you want me to just completely disregard the fact the unprecented move by the carrier to respond with the elgible list within hours of this filing? Really?

I will agree that AMFA organizers could have filed anytime first and should have, in fact I suggested May 24th AMT DAY but that didnt happen. But it doesnt change the fact that the strategy was based on historical evidence that the Carrier never responds within hours to prevent a certain organization from apprearing on the ballot. Now we all know, if the carrier wants to protect the most docile union in the industry, it will stop at nothing to do so.

That's fine, corporations, unions, individuals that rely on this type of activity to survive will always end up failing in the end. Not by my hands, but by the hands of Karma.

 

[enough already]

How does any Union Leadership justify continuation of representation by pulling out political ploys to prevent the membership from getting a ballot with desired options to vote for or against?

I mean think about it, how strong can any union be if they only exist by preventing the membership from replacing them? Now we continue with a weak union, only because the leadership would rather protect their own appointed and overpaid positions than allow the membership will to be done.

About as Anti-American as it gets, and obvioulsy management of "American" Airlines is in on the scam to protect their toy union.

I am not as angry this time, I am more shocked that the membership and the citizens of the United States will actually stand for such tyranny in this Country.

Herein lies the reason that it does not matter, at least in Tulsa, what union represents us. The sheeple here are so scared to lose their bass boats and 4X4s that they'll do whatever the company wants. No backbone whatsoever....

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

AMFA would have been an intervenor on the ballot, not the applicant. And of course the applicant would take their cards and application to apply. Nice try but, try again!!!

Are you asdumb as AMFA?

AMFA: "Although the AMFA filed the necessary documents electronically with the NMB on Tuesday afternoon and delivered original documents Wednesday, officials at the NMB applied a technical rule effectively stripping away the right of any union to obtain intervenor status in the representation election."

Representation Manual :
"Acceptance of Additional Authorizations
An applicant or intervenor may present the Investigator with additional authorizations up until 4 p.m., Eastern Time, on the day the Investigator receives the applicable list and signature samples "

Read the Representation manual. Almost ALL documents including cards must be delivered in original form.

Representation Manual:
"General Communication Guidelines
Documents should be filed with the NMB electronically at [email protected], except for the following items which are still required in hard copy: 1) the initial Application for Investigation of Representation Dispute; 2) authorization cards; 3) signature samples; and 4) employee address labels."

You cannot submitt authorization cards electronically they will not be accepted. Since the originals were not submitted in hard copy by 4pm you did not earn the right to be on the ballot.

Case closed you lose. You can scream collusion and fraud or whatever, which cannot be proved, all you want but the facts are AMFA didn't follow rules and the decision cannot be litigated.

Keep crying and feeling sorry for yourself or learn from your mistakes pull yourself up by your boot straps and get AMFA supporters to win as a write-in or least get on the run-off ballot.

If there is an election.

Then again just sit on your big one and cry and let an election you say won't happen happen and be unprepared again.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

How does any Union Leadership justify continuation of representation by pulling out political ploys to prevent the membership from getting a ballot with desired options to vote for or against?

I mean think about it, how strong can any union be if they only exist by preventing the membership from replacing them? Now we continue with a weak union, only because the leadership would rather protect their own appointed and overpaid positions than allow the membership will to be done.

About as Anti-American as it gets, and obvioulsy management of "American" Airlines is in on the scam to protect their toy union.

I am not as angry this time, I am more shocked that the membership and the citizens of the United States will actually stand for such tyranny in this Country.

You are a big joke. You rather make this all about a big conspiracy theory, anti american rhetoric and politicalization rather than do something postive like have AMFA win this election if there is one.

 

[TWU informer]

You are a big joke. You rather make this all about a big conspiracy theory, anti american rhetoric and politicalization rather than do something postive like have AMFA win this election if there is one.

Tell me how to have AMFA win the election when the NMB has officially ruled that AMFA will not be allowed on the ballot? Are you so busy making this personal that you fail to even see the facts that are being discussed to begin with? OMG

IF you are talking about a write in AMFA campaign that will happen without much effort. Truth is IBT doesnt have the cards required and never did.