That would have given an intervenor all weekend and all day Monday to hang out, have lunch, see some sites and, walk into the 4pm deadline. We are going to do a write in campaign. Perhaps you could do something positive also.
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usairways_vote_NO
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Absolutely true.
But was there a intervenor with enough cards when AMFA filed the first time? Not that I am aware of.
Were there 2 union campaigns going on simultaneously this time both with enough or close to enough cards to file? Yes. Were there intervenor NMB rules in place in case 1 of the campaigns filed first? Yes Was IBT smart to file in the morning so a case file would be generated that day allowing AA to submit there documents? Yes
Did AMFA fail to get their cards in on time according to the rules? Yes Did AMFA know the rules? I suggest yes since they tried to break the rules by filing their documents in haste electronically.
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Yeah that 's what I want, another Union that operates strategically to prevent anyone else from getting on the ballot. I call that anti-American, anti-Democratic, and defeating and preventing the will of the membership to be known.
I don't consider suppression to be "smart" but you are welcome to your opinion.
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Dude there are rules made to be followed there was nothing illegal in the way things went down. Why can't you face the facts that AMFA screwed it up?? Period and you can bellyache all you want but you can't change anything.
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You are delusional
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Some Q&A's from NMB http://www.nmb.gov/representation/faq-ola.pdf
A: Most elections are conducted by Telephone Electronic Voting (TEV) and Internet Voting. Approximately three weeks prior to the tally, each voter is mailed Voting Instructions explaining how to vote. In a standard TEV and Internet Voting election, employees either call in to cast their vote or access the Board’s voting website. The way to vote for representation is to select one of the "Yes" options. The way to vote for no representation is to select the "No" option for no representative. The votes are tallied electronically. The results of the tally are provided to the organization(s) and the carrier in writing.
Here is an intesting one.
19. Q: Can a union be certified by the NMB without an election?
A: Yes. If there is only one labor organization applying for representation, and the organization and the carrier agree in writing to a certification based on a check of authorization cards, the NMB can authorize the check of authorizations instead of an election. If a majority of the craft or class has signed authorizations, the organization will be certified without an election.
29. Q: Can voters still "write-in" candidates?
A: Yes. They can "speak-in" at the prompt to vote for "any other organization or individual," on the TEV system or "write-in" their selection on the NMB’s Internet Voting website. A voter must affirmatively "speak-in" (telephone) or "write-in" (Internet) the name of an individual or organization to cast a valid vote. Recording silence or the phrase "Any Other Organization or Individual" as a "write-in" or "speak-in" vote is no longer a valid vote. See Manual Sections 13.304-1 and 13.304-2.
30. Q: What prevents voters from voting multiple times?
A: The TEV/Internet Voting system locks out a user after repeated incorrect Access Code entries. This lockout also prevents hackers from "programmatically" discovering user Access Code combinations. In addition, as the phone and Internet systems are linked, voters are prevented from voting more than once regardless of which medium they choose to vote with.
34. Q: Can voters change their votes?
A: Yes and no. While a voter is in the TEV or Internet Voting system, he/she will be prompted to confirm his/her choices and can make changes accordingly. Once the ballot is successfully cast, the voter cannot re-access the TEV or Internet Voting system and "change" the vote. The system will recognize this as an attempt to vote more than once.
A: Most elections are conducted by Telephone Electronic Voting (TEV) and Internet Voting. Approximately three weeks prior to the tally, each voter is mailed Voting Instructions explaining how to vote. In a standard TEV and Internet Voting election, employees either call in to cast their vote or access the Board’s voting website. The way to vote for representation is to select one of the "Yes" options. The way to vote for no representation is to select the "No" option for no representative. The votes are tallied electronically. The results of the tally are provided to the organization(s) and the carrier in writing.
Here is an intesting one.
19. Q: Can a union be certified by the NMB without an election?
A: Yes. If there is only one labor organization applying for representation, and the organization and the carrier agree in writing to a certification based on a check of authorization cards, the NMB can authorize the check of authorizations instead of an election. If a majority of the craft or class has signed authorizations, the organization will be certified without an election.
29. Q: Can voters still "write-in" candidates?
A: Yes. They can "speak-in" at the prompt to vote for "any other organization or individual," on the TEV system or "write-in" their selection on the NMB’s Internet Voting website. A voter must affirmatively "speak-in" (telephone) or "write-in" (Internet) the name of an individual or organization to cast a valid vote. Recording silence or the phrase "Any Other Organization or Individual" as a "write-in" or "speak-in" vote is no longer a valid vote. See Manual Sections 13.304-1 and 13.304-2.
30. Q: What prevents voters from voting multiple times?
A: The TEV/Internet Voting system locks out a user after repeated incorrect Access Code entries. This lockout also prevents hackers from "programmatically" discovering user Access Code combinations. In addition, as the phone and Internet systems are linked, voters are prevented from voting more than once regardless of which medium they choose to vote with.
34. Q: Can voters change their votes?
A: Yes and no. While a voter is in the TEV or Internet Voting system, he/she will be prompted to confirm his/her choices and can make changes accordingly. Once the ballot is successfully cast, the voter cannot re-access the TEV or Internet Voting system and "change" the vote. The system will recognize this as an attempt to vote more than once.
The Teamsters are not even on the property, and are already in bed with the company! No coincidence there.
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43. Q: What if I am already represented and I am unhappy with the organization?
A: The RLA does not address relationships between employees and their unions, including the payment or amount of union dues, or the representation you receive from the union in negotiations or grievances. Some questions can be answered by the U.S. Department of Labor Office of Labor-Management Standard at http://www.dol.gov/olms/
A: The RLA does not address relationships between employees and their unions, including the payment or amount of union dues, or the representation you receive from the union in negotiations or grievances. Some questions can be answered by the U.S. Department of Labor Office of Labor-Management Standard at http://www.dol.gov/olms/
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Sorry been running my small business and been busy working, and have a new opportunity that I am working on, sorry.
I have posted here and there, but I havent been home.
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good luck with your small business and good luck with your new opportunity 700 hope it all works out well for you
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Off Topic
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This may actually be a good thing. I think this.........situation has woken a lot of people up. I rather TWU had been shown the door, however, this may prove to motivate some of the people "on the fence" to finally rid themselves of the TWU.
Good point. But really hated to see it had to happen this way.
