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I see it for BS, because it is BS.
They see things in a special kind of way. A way that benefits them.
American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021
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They see things in a special kind of way. A way that benefits them.
Don't mean to double post but I accidently also sent this to the AMFA drive forum also;
I also can't find my original post where I answered your para's in bold so here it is out of your response to me;
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SWAMT; What happens to the guys at the unprotected station if they get a furlough notice? They do have bumping rights I assume? So if they go to one of your protected stations, does that station absorb them or does another member of AMFA get furloughed? If SWA or Alaska change their corporate model as far as aircraft being flown what happens with that statement as well? I would assume there is language in your contract saying that at any time the job can't be accomplished the company has the right to conduct business as required?
I read they would go with bumping rights. Not sure if they (Alaska) can bid into a new station unless there is an open position available though.
Yes to the language about the company running the bus as they need to.
The NO STRIKE, NO LAYOFF, STATION PROTECTION, and whatever other clauses that are placed in a unions contract are ALL smoke and mirrors to make the members Feeeeeeel all warm and fuzzy. No Union can insure you have a job until the contract becomes ammedable.
I hear what you are saying, and yes, if the company really had to they will run the company as they see fit even if they need to go thru the courts to accomplish such tasks.
AMFA members do have more rights than we do here at AA, but as GREAT as you claim SWA AMFA membership is, it's the same as every other airline. Only as strong/good as those who participate, and get involved in day to day going on.
Correct. A union membership is only as strong as the involvement of said membership. I will use a strike vote as example (example only) if only 10% of the membership would vote to do a strike= weak membership and union stance, but if a huge 95-99% vote came out that would have much stronger unity of the membership and companies will notice.
Here at AA only the TWU scammers are involved no one else cares, simply because of all the corruption that has been going on here in the last 30+ years. No matter who goes into office here the scamming continues. That change from within does NOT work. That is WHY we here at AA need a reboot. Restart from scratch with AMFA, New members here at AA need to step up and say I am tired of this. We will see if/when we file and get an election.
Yes you do. At least with AMFA, the membership can and will control the scamming going on. We have voted 2-3 times to remove certain ALR's as well as a couple of other votes trying to oust certain National Officers. With AMFA those options are available. Not allowed at any other industrial union.
SWAMT you preach a good game (I understand you are out at the moment ) but what involvement have YOU had in the UNION?
I am no longer a union rep. Was taking way too much of my personal family time away from family so I pulled back. But I do stay in touch with all the fellas. I was also involved in a bunch of contract nego's and keeping up with system boards and arbitrations that the teamsters refused to fight for us. But I will say I was also one of the main guys that helped bring AMFA in at SWA, as there were many who helped as well as it was a rather large group wanting changes to our representation.
A bit of an eye opener. Very interesting indeed. Mental notes made.
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There a reason why both UA n AA are hiring them now.
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Who is UA hiring? Both articles were about AA.
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UA is looking to hiring. If uvread the article it clearly states United is looking to hire bankruptcy people
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Bankruptcy is now very likely in 2021.
Now it’s clear the democrats don’t want to help the airlines which I hope all you supporters of them remember this on Election Day.
AA will file once they realize the unions are not going to give concessions which they should not.
So for those like me it appears the end of my career will be rocky and far less lucrative than I had hopped.
Screw the democrats and all their BS and hatred for this president
Now it’s clear the democrats don’t want to help the airlines which I hope all you supporters of them remember this on Election Day.
AA will file once they realize the unions are not going to give concessions which they should not.
So for those like me it appears the end of my career will be rocky and far less lucrative than I had hopped.
Screw the democrats and all their BS and hatred for this president
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Not just Democrats. it's both parties failure to help. Its definitely going to be a bumpy ride
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Well, I see they're looking to add a second board member who is of color, but that has nothing to do with bankruptcy prep...
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Sorry but I don’t agree, the republicans have more than once offered smaller bills that would still help millions of Americans and not just the airlines and the wicked witch of congress has refused every time .
And then comes out and speaks as if they are close to a bill just teasing people only to pull out at the last minute.
Pelosi is nothing but a lier and only cares about her and nothing else I truly hope this witch looses the house and watch her cry foul that somebody cheated
I too would have to disagree.
Republicans have moved and offered less expensive bills (to save from massive overspending) that indeed does take care of many american jobs and not just in the aviation field. Included are restaurants and entertainment as well as small businesses. But no; Pelosi and crew will NOT budge to this day, she still wants to bail out all the miss ran cities that have run their cities into the ground and ruined them financially, and that is on their bloody hands not the rest of Americans in other cities and states to cover their failures period. She also is still demanding the full 2.2 TRILLION bill only so as to cost as much money as possible to burn the cash so she can blame Trump admin later for the debt. NOT going to happen. She and her coharts wil be remembered come election time----drain the swamp!!!
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Both parties did put number of proposals out both sides rejected them. Aviation employees paying the price. Heard rumors today that the Treasury secretary and Pelosi were to continue negotiating and supposedly treasury secretary would move closer to the 2.2 trillion but as of now nothing. I seriously doubt anything til after election. Just feel for all affected meanwhile AA hired former NWA CEO Doug Steeland. May remember his "dumpster diving " comment when he was at NWA
Pelosi did it again. This time her own party is slamming her for not moving forward on the cares act.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-democratic-backlash-trump-coronavirus-stimulus-deal
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-democratic-backlash-trump-coronavirus-stimulus-deal
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His joining the board should give all AA'ers pause. Good luck to all of you.
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