American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

[Kev3188]

] At AA we closed a few stations for aircraft maintenance, those were going to happen either way, those also won't be un-done either.

Besides FLL & SJU, which ones?

GOOD LUCK to ALL the remaining airlines workers, I wish ALL of YOU the best. Stay safe, wear your masks, follow your state guidelines.

+1

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Comparing what happens at each carrier really makes NO sense, each airline has its own problems. What ever those are it is and always will be just part of what we all know is part of our industry. What happens outside of our industry is also not something we can compare our industry too.

These are the same people comparing AA to UPS and FedEX despite the fact those are package delivery companies and NOT airlines. They don't have a freaking clue.

 

[swamt]

And now we start reading articles like this. Southwest said a while back that they would look at pay cuts so not to layoff. They will do everything they can in order not to layoff. Waiting the hear from all the unions after they each meet with the company.
So maybe no deal on extension by election day, but how about by end of year. GK also said IF they come thru with an extension he will cancel all the concessions agreements.

https://finance.yahoo.com/m/c3322ed...thwest-asks-for.html?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo


Glad to hear the filing is coming. Some of you can still send in those cards that you have not as of yet to to be sure you breach the total amount needed for extra padding, cuz we all know the co., asso and who knows who else will plan and work together ti fight off any kind of AMFA vote at AA.

 

[swamt]

These are the same people comparing AA to UPS and FedEX despite the fact those are package delivery companies and NOT airlines. They don't have a freaking clue.

I have to disagree to a smaller point.
The Pilots, Mechanics and Dispatchers are in fact the exact same comparo when it comes to their jobs and responsibilities. And for the Pilots and Mechanics, it even goes further for the airlines that fly live passengers as they ARE responsible for the lives aboard all those aircraft not dead weight packages, huge difference people...

 

[eolesen]

Now that people are actually being displaced and having to move, and others are finding new/alternative jobs, it becomes less and less practical to recall people.

 

[swamt]

And this is what it looks like to have a union stand up and fight for their class and craft when companies just want to pull the force majeure card whenever they please in abuse. This final decision just took place over at Alaska airlines saving up to 6 stations targeted for force majeure to be pulled during this current C-19 pandemic...

NATIONAL DIRECTOR UPDATE - SEPTEMBER 2020
Updated On: Oct 02, 2020

October 2, 2020

Dear Members:

September 2020 was another busy month for your AMFA Officers and Representatives as we continue to monitor the operational activity pertaining to headcount reductions while safeguarding AMFA protected work in this assaulted aviation industry.

September 30, 2020, was “D-Day” for the CARES Act Payroll Support Program (PSP), which restricted carries from furloughing employees and from pay and benefit reductions. AMFA members at all three AMFA-represented carriers have contributed in helping our companies save millions of dollars by voluntarily committing to the Early-Out Program (EOP), Voluntary Separations Program (VSP), Extended Emergency Time Off (EXTO), Emergency Time Off (ETO), or In-Lieu-of-Furlough (ILOF) options. We again thank and appreciate individuals who have volunteered in this cause.

AMFA’s legislative team continues to contribute and engage discussions related to the CARES Act, and we are continuing to advocate for our craft in COVID-19 related discussions, especially regarding the current CARES Act PSP Extension. We have teamed up with other aviation unions in lobbying efforts to urge our elected officials to authorize an extension of the PSP for an additional six months. It is a crucial time for Congress to act is now. We ask each AMFA member to help by reaching out to your state Senator and Congressmen today. Be assured, we are adamantly fighting for you under the parameters of the CARES Act. Please to monitor the Legislative Updates page of the AMFA National website for more details.

AMFA Local Safety & Standards Chairman continue to be actively involved to reinforce adherence to workplace cleaning protocol via CDC guidelines. We continue to urge you to utilize PPE, practice social distancing, adhere to any company policy on wearing masks while performing your job, and remember, safety is always the number one priority. If you have any questions or concerns about COVID-19 safety procedures or protocols, please contact your Local Safety and Standards Chairman.

In a decision dated September 18, 2020, Arbitrator Fredric R. Horowitz rejected Alaska Airlines’ position that job security provisions negotiated by the AMFA could be nullified by advent of the COVID-19 pandemic based on a force majeure clause contained in the relevant Letter of Agreement (LOA) #9. LOA#9 determined that at the six protected stations (Seattle, Los Angeles, New York, Portland, San Diego, and San Francisco) no furloughs will result in station layoff through the amendable date of the collective bargaining agreement (CBA), which is October 17, 2023.

Additionally, AMFA represented employees in all unprotected stations, if downsized due to lack of demand for aircraft utilization, may bump in accordance with the CBA into a protected station. I would like to commend AMFA Officers and our legal team for representing our members in an impeccable manner, presenting and victoriously winning this furlough arbitration case. For further information, please review the joint statement released by AMFA and Alaska Airlines, dated September 25, 2020.

I am happy to announce that after years of litigation between AMFA and Southwest Airlines (SWA), a settlement agreement of all parties’ claims and counterclaims in the federal litigation (Consolidated Case No. 3:17-cv-00431-N) was reached. On September 17, 2020, AMFA-SWA members ratified the Article 23 Protocols Agreement, thus resulting in both parties moving to dismiss all claims and counterclaims in court. On September 24, 2020, all litigation between AMFA and SWA ended when the Court closed the case after the parties complied with their settlement.

Reminder: the FAA Hotline reporting system may be utilized to report concerns of aviation safety: https://hotline.faa.gov/. We must realize our grave responsibility as FAA certified airman to exercise our judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment. We, therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of public safety of aviation and for the dignity for our craft.

As always, I ask you please be safe while being vigilant and to stay engaged with your union and officers. Please monitor your respective carrier page of the AMFA National website for further airline specific details: Alaska Airlines Updates, Horizon Air Updates, Southwest Airlines Updates. Additionally, I encourage you for more carrier specific updates and further information regarding AMFA and the airline industry, please visit the AMFA National Website at www.amfanational.org. Our most determined efforts will only succeed with your continued support and participation – please stay engaged and informed.

Sincerely,

Bret Oestreich
National Director

 

[swamt]

Good luck to all you on the AMFA vote coming to you all...

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

And this is what it looks like to have a union stand up and fight for their class and craft when companies just want to pull the force majeure card whenever they please in abuse. This final decision just took place over at Alaska airlines saving up to 6 stations targeted for force majeure to be pulled during this current C-19 pandemic...

NATIONAL DIRECTOR UPDATE - SEPTEMBER 2020
Updated On: Oct 02, 2020

October 2, 2020

Dear Members:

September 2020 was another busy month for your AMFA Officers and Representatives as we continue to monitor the operational activity pertaining to headcount reductions while safeguarding AMFA protected work in this assaulted aviation industry.

September 30, 2020, was “D-Day” for the CARES Act Payroll Support Program (PSP), which restricted carries from furloughing employees and from pay and benefit reductions. AMFA members at all three AMFA-represented carriers have contributed in helping our companies save millions of dollars by voluntarily committing to the Early-Out Program (EOP), Voluntary Separations Program (VSP), Extended Emergency Time Off (EXTO), Emergency Time Off (ETO), or In-Lieu-of-Furlough (ILOF) options. We again thank and appreciate individuals who have volunteered in this cause.

AMFA’s legislative team continues to contribute and engage discussions related to the CARES Act, and we are continuing to advocate for our craft in COVID-19 related discussions, especially regarding the current CARES Act PSP Extension. We have teamed up with other aviation unions in lobbying efforts to urge our elected officials to authorize an extension of the PSP for an additional six months. It is a crucial time for Congress to act is now. We ask each AMFA member to help by reaching out to your state Senator and Congressmen today. Be assured, we are adamantly fighting for you under the parameters of the CARES Act. Please to monitor the Legislative Updates page of the AMFA National website for more details.

AMFA Local Safety & Standards Chairman continue to be actively involved to reinforce adherence to workplace cleaning protocol via CDC guidelines. We continue to urge you to utilize PPE, practice social distancing, adhere to any company policy on wearing masks while performing your job, and remember, safety is always the number one priority. If you have any questions or concerns about COVID-19 safety procedures or protocols, please contact your Local Safety and Standards Chairman.

In a decision dated September 18, 2020, Arbitrator Fredric R. Horowitz rejected Alaska Airlines’ position that job security provisions negotiated by the AMFA could be nullified by advent of the COVID-19 pandemic based on a force majeure clause contained in the relevant Letter of Agreement (LOA) #9. LOA#9 determined that at the six protected stations (Seattle, Los Angeles, New York, Portland, San Diego, and San Francisco) no furloughs will result in station layoff through the amendable date of the collective bargaining agreement (CBA), which is October 17, 2023.

Additionally, AMFA represented employees in all unprotected stations, if downsized due to lack of demand for aircraft utilization, may bump in accordance with the CBA into a protected station. I would like to commend AMFA Officers and our legal team for representing our members in an impeccable manner, presenting and victoriously winning this furlough arbitration case. For further information, please review the joint statement released by AMFA and Alaska Airlines, dated September 25, 2020.

I am happy to announce that after years of litigation between AMFA and Southwest Airlines (SWA), a settlement agreement of all parties’ claims and counterclaims in the federal litigation (Consolidated Case No. 3:17-cv-00431-N) was reached. On September 17, 2020, AMFA-SWA members ratified the Article 23 Protocols Agreement, thus resulting in both parties moving to dismiss all claims and counterclaims in court. On September 24, 2020, all litigation between AMFA and SWA ended when the Court closed the case after the parties complied with their settlement.

Reminder: the FAA Hotline reporting system may be utilized to report concerns of aviation safety: https://hotline.faa.gov/. We must realize our grave responsibility as FAA certified airman to exercise our judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment. We, therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of public safety of aviation and for the dignity for our craft.

As always, I ask you please be safe while being vigilant and to stay engaged with your union and officers. Please monitor your respective carrier page of the AMFA National website for further airline specific details: Alaska Airlines Updates, Horizon Air Updates, Southwest Airlines Updates. Additionally, I encourage you for more carrier specific updates and further information regarding AMFA and the airline industry, please visit the AMFA National Website at www.amfanational.org. Our most determined efforts will only succeed with your continued support and participation – please stay engaged and informed.

Sincerely,

Bret Oestreich
National Director

THIS swamt , IS a UNION, that takes CARE of it's MEMBERS. BRAVO !!!!!

Now a simple question sir.

Who does the REPUBLICAN PARTY and the M O R O N, CARE most about ??

A. Alaska Airlines ?

OR

B. AMFA ?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

I have to disagree to a smaller point.
The Pilots, Mechanics and Dispatchers are in fact the exact same comparo when it comes to their jobs and responsibilities. And for the Pilots and Mechanics, it even goes further for the airlines that fly live passengers as they ARE responsible for the lives aboard all those aircraft not dead weight packages, huge difference people...

And cooks working at McDonald's have the same responsibilities as cooks at 5 star restaurants. They certainly don't make the same amount of money in spite of having a much larger customer base. While were at it regional mechanics do not make as much as mainline mechanics, yet they have the same training and responsibilities. I can sit here and poke holes in your separate but equal nonsense all day long.

Package delivery companies have a different business model and a different cost model.

Passenger demand is low whereas demand for air freight is BOOMING.

When your company is LOSING money what the hell makes you feel entitled to insist on similar pay and benefits to a company in a completely different industry that is making money hand over fist?

Help me follow your logic here because I don't see it.

 

[eolesen]

When you see passenger airlines flying cargo-only flights, you know the package business has to be lucrative...

 

[swamt]

THIS swamt , IS a UNION, that takes CARE of it's MEMBERS. BRAVO !!!!!

Now a simple question sir.

Who does the REPUBLICAN PARTY and the M O R O N, CARE most about ??

A. Alaska Airlines ?

OR

B. AMFA ?

Both. It's true as AMFA has been working with this administration in the past a many times. Matter fact this administration chose AMFA and brought them in in certain discussions about outsourced maint and other maint drug testing and third party maintenance. I can't count how many but it's all available on the AMFANational website. Just follow all legislation memos and news articles, too many to list here.

And cooks working at McDonald's have the same responsibilities as cooks at 5 star restaurants. They certainly don't make the same amount of money in spite of having a much larger customer base. While were at it regional mechanics do not make as much as mainline mechanics, yet they have the same training and responsibilities. I can sit here and poke holes in your separate but equal nonsense all day long.

Package delivery companies have a different business model and a different cost model.

Passenger demand is low whereas demand for air freight is BOOMING.

When your company is LOSING money what the hell makes you feel entitled to insist on similar pay and benefits to a company in a completely different industry that is making money hand over fist?

Help me follow your logic here because I don't see it.

Your the only one that can't see it. Everyone else knows exactly what I am talking about. They also know that the SWA dispatchers were successful in proving that dispatchers at UPS and dispatchers at SWA have the exact same responsibilities and won their binding arbitration and therefore SWA did not want to go thru one of those again with the mechanics as they know they would have lost again.

 

[swamt]

When you see passenger airlines flying cargo-only flights, you know the package business has to be lucrative...

Yes E, indeed it is. And it has even become more lucrative as of lately because of amazon and the need for consumers needing their orders overnight so much now, they are willing to pay $$$.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

And this is what it looks like to have a union stand up and fight for their class and craft when companies just want to pull the force majeure card whenever they please in abuse. This final decision just took place over at Alaska airlines saving up to 6 stations targeted for force majeure to be pulled during this current C-19 pandemic...

NATIONAL DIRECTOR UPDATE - SEPTEMBER 2020
Updated On: Oct 02, 2020

October 2, 2020

Dear Members:

September 2020 was another busy month for your AMFA Officers and Representatives as we continue to monitor the operational activity pertaining to headcount reductions while safeguarding AMFA protected work in this assaulted aviation industry.

September 30, 2020, was “D-Day” for the CARES Act Payroll Support Program (PSP), which restricted carries from furloughing employees and from pay and benefit reductions. AMFA members at all three AMFA-represented carriers have contributed in helping our companies save millions of dollars by voluntarily committing to the Early-Out Program (EOP), Voluntary Separations Program (VSP), Extended Emergency Time Off (EXTO), Emergency Time Off (ETO), or In-Lieu-of-Furlough (ILOF) options. We again thank and appreciate individuals who have volunteered in this cause.

AMFA’s legislative team continues to contribute and engage discussions related to the CARES Act, and we are continuing to advocate for our craft in COVID-19 related discussions, especially regarding the current CARES Act PSP Extension. We have teamed up with other aviation unions in lobbying efforts to urge our elected officials to authorize an extension of the PSP for an additional six months. It is a crucial time for Congress to act is now. We ask each AMFA member to help by reaching out to your state Senator and Congressmen today. Be assured, we are adamantly fighting for you under the parameters of the CARES Act. Please to monitor the Legislative Updates page of the AMFA National website for more details.

AMFA Local Safety & Standards Chairman continue to be actively involved to reinforce adherence to workplace cleaning protocol via CDC guidelines. We continue to urge you to utilize PPE, practice social distancing, adhere to any company policy on wearing masks while performing your job, and remember, safety is always the number one priority. If you have any questions or concerns about COVID-19 safety procedures or protocols, please contact your Local Safety and Standards Chairman.

In a decision dated September 18, 2020, Arbitrator Fredric R. Horowitz rejected Alaska Airlines’ position that job security provisions negotiated by the AMFA could be nullified by advent of the COVID-19 pandemic based on a force majeure clause contained in the relevant Letter of Agreement (LOA) #9. LOA#9 determined that at the six protected stations (Seattle, Los Angeles, New York, Portland, San Diego, and San Francisco) no furloughs will result in station layoff through the amendable date of the collective bargaining agreement (CBA), which is October 17, 2023.

Additionally, AMFA represented employees in all unprotected stations, if downsized due to lack of demand for aircraft utilization, may bump in accordance with the CBA into a protected station. I would like to commend AMFA Officers and our legal team for representing our members in an impeccable manner, presenting and victoriously winning this furlough arbitration case. For further information, please review the joint statement released by AMFA and Alaska Airlines, dated September 25, 2020.

I am happy to announce that after years of litigation between AMFA and Southwest Airlines (SWA), a settlement agreement of all parties’ claims and counterclaims in the federal litigation (Consolidated Case No. 3:17-cv-00431-N) was reached. On September 17, 2020, AMFA-SWA members ratified the Article 23 Protocols Agreement, thus resulting in both parties moving to dismiss all claims and counterclaims in court. On September 24, 2020, all litigation between AMFA and SWA ended when the Court closed the case after the parties complied with their settlement.

Reminder: the FAA Hotline reporting system may be utilized to report concerns of aviation safety: https://hotline.faa.gov/. We must realize our grave responsibility as FAA certified airman to exercise our judgement on the airworthiness of aircraft and equipment. We, therefore, pledge unyielding adherence to these precepts for the advancement of public safety of aviation and for the dignity for our craft.

As always, I ask you please be safe while being vigilant and to stay engaged with your union and officers. Please monitor your respective carrier page of the AMFA National website for further airline specific details: Alaska Airlines Updates, Horizon Air Updates, Southwest Airlines Updates. Additionally, I encourage you for more carrier specific updates and further information regarding AMFA and the airline industry, please visit the AMFA National Website at www.amfanational.org. Our most determined efforts will only succeed with your continued support and participation – please stay engaged and informed.

Sincerely,

Bret Oestreich
National Director

SWAMT; Great post but as I asked in the organizing thread? Does the station absorb them or do the guys who got bumped get furloughed? Does AMFA draw circles around certain stations and exclude anyone from bumping in as they have here at AA in the past? (See red highlighted area above)

 

[swamt]

SWAMT; Great post but as I asked in the organizing thread? Does the station absorb them or do the guys who got bumped get furloughed? Does AMFA draw circles around certain stations and exclude anyone from bumping in as they have here at AA in the past? (See red highlighted area above)

I answered your questions in bold under each para of questions.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I answered your questions in bold under each para of questions.

Sorry don't see your reply.. what happens to the guy at a protected station that gets bumped from a unprotected station, ( simple question? )
Does the station absorb them or does a guy from the protected station now have to bump or get furloughed? Seniority depending I know....

I read the decision that allows the guy to bump in but it does not answer my question to you.