American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021
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Absolutely not. I like the fare wars. It really entices more folks to fly when they see the good sales, and these current ones are very good sales. Haven't seen the $39 fares in years. Just to be a bit more clear, there is more to the fare sale than meets the eyes. It will become more visual as we get further down the road.
Ya think still that high? I was hoping for less (more like 18-22%) max. Maybe that tells us that the co is not seeing the numbers nowhere near where they were hoping for.
I can share with you the SWA numbers. As of June 19th,
1,485 Employees have elected to take VSP (Early Out)
3,006 Employees have signed up for ExTO.
This represents 7% of employees. Some of us have heard 13% is the goal. With a month left, and, IF that's the real number the co wants, not so sure we get to the 13% by July 15th. Hopefully we can get to the 10-12% range and it be enough for the co. stay that size. Hopefully the passengers will come back and the numbers Southwest sees can be enough. Just praying for all employees not to get laid off. I hope more will sign up after all the Town Hall meetings and info on medical, VSP and the ETO programs. I do encourage anyone close to attend the retirement classes and get any and all questions answered. If ya can't make them in person SWA has arranged electronic attendance as well. Good luck to everyone, in hopes of more applying by 7-15-20. Everyone stay safe, stay healthy. Do what is best for you and your family.
For the lower seniority guys and fairly new hires, there are over 1/2 dozen leads being reported of taking the leave, so at least there will be some movement around once they fill the new leads positions and this might also help with the numbers the co wants within maint with how the bidding will all end up. Plus there will be some premium shop positions open up down the hill in Engine, Slide, Structure Support and Plant maint. shops, as well as some foreman positions too. People will need to watch the bid boards daily after Sep 1st. I sense a lot of trickle bidding coming.
1,485 Employees have elected to take VSP (Early Out)
3,006 Employees have signed up for ExTO.
This represents 7% of employees. Some of us have heard 13% is the goal. With a month left, and, IF that's the real number the co wants, not so sure we get to the 13% by July 15th. Hopefully we can get to the 10-12% range and it be enough for the co. stay that size. Hopefully the passengers will come back and the numbers Southwest sees can be enough. Just praying for all employees not to get laid off. I hope more will sign up after all the Town Hall meetings and info on medical, VSP and the ETO programs. I do encourage anyone close to attend the retirement classes and get any and all questions answered. If ya can't make them in person SWA has arranged electronic attendance as well. Good luck to everyone, in hopes of more applying by 7-15-20. Everyone stay safe, stay healthy. Do what is best for you and your family.
For the lower seniority guys and fairly new hires, there are over 1/2 dozen leads being reported of taking the leave, so at least there will be some movement around once they fill the new leads positions and this might also help with the numbers the co wants within maint with how the bidding will all end up. Plus there will be some premium shop positions open up down the hill in Engine, Slide, Structure Support and Plant maint. shops, as well as some foreman positions too. People will need to watch the bid boards daily after Sep 1st. I sense a lot of trickle bidding coming.
CremaDiLimone
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nah, no surprise. i told you 2 factors about ramp - apprx. 18,500 going into this virus journey.
- the buyout is not generous. 6 months pay + other things.
- older workers are not leaving at the pace as previous generations did. getting hit financially from 2003-2016 is a factor, but, so is the thought of finding places to hide while earning max pay. this was also discussed in the united thread about ua ramp.
retiring from laa may gain you a $2,400 monthly pension, but a 70 y/o at work can earn $5,300 monthly while hiding out and sitting in a chair. easy choice, until they start eliminating all the hiding spots.
another rumor is out there, company will announce another buyout package for the ramp in july. maybe they will sweeten it, maybe not.
so far, they haven't sweetened it. only rehashed the same and reopened windows of applying.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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I know exactly what the fares are.Absolutely not. I like the fare wars. It really entices more folks to fly when they see the good sales, and these current ones are very good sales. Haven't seen the $39 fares in years. Just to be a bit more clear, there is more to the fare sale than meets the eyes. It will become more visual as we get further down the road.
They are the vultures circling waiting for death.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Swamt it is good that you care about your fellow man but sometimes layoffs can be a good thing for some people. It forces people to seek out other opportunities and sometimes, just sometimes, they find they are a better fit or happier working somewhere else, maybe even working for themselves.
Most people just slog through a job they don't really like day after day because they are comfortable. Sometimes job loss lights the fire under their ass they need to get motivated to change their lives.
Had I not seen the writing on the wall I probably never would have gone to school. Had they not eliminated my shop I might very well have worked the rest of my life in a place I did not really want to be, doing a job I did not really want to do.
Why would I do that?
Because providing for my family was more important than me being happy with my occupation. By Oklahoma standards I had a really good job for someone that only had a high school diploma. I didn't know if I could match my income or do any better.
I think a lot of people are in that position.
It's easy to make a choice when you have no choice. That statement does not make much sense does it? What it means is it's easy to attempt things you would have never attempted before had you not been put in such dire circumstances that forced your hand.
Most of those employees will go through hard times but they will survive, and they will eventually come back to American Airlines (or whatever airline they were laid off from) with a new appreciation for their job. However some (like me) will make the choice to move on and it really will work out better for them.
Don't pray for them not to get laid off because that will only result in disappointment. Instead, pray that they find their way after the fact, rather that means rejoining the airline or forging a new path.
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SWAMT
Just how many of the people that electing to take the Early out are from AMFA? F/A? Pilots?
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Yup, but it looks like there aren't any other employees from SWA who show up aside from Sharon from SAT, and she's not a mechanic, so....
AMFAinMIAMI
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Didn't you read your contract we are NO Longer under the TWU's way of doing things. Any cuts and bumping will be done the way the IAM does things. The Juniority pool is GONE.
That's too bad!.......I was looking forward to "bump" into DFW! Kidding! Different folks (USAir) running AA and The Association running the Unions! I don't see it happening!
Once the iam decides how layoffs will go they will tell alex how its going to be.
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Can you please explain the Juniority system to me. Since I only ever elected to bump locally (from TULE to TUL) during my career I am not really familiar with the mechanics of the juniority system. My bump was sort of a special case because in the event of a layoff TUL and TULE were considered one station.
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