American looking to "right-size" the company and staffing levels for the Fall and 2021

[CremaDiLimone]

LuLu was saying something about a possible different leave package coming out for the ramp in July, so just wanted to clarify the groups involved is all.

no, that was me.

that's the rumor. buyout package will be sweetened. get it while you can. don't miss the boat.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

SWAMT

LILULELO so you know is NOT even an airline employee any longer, I am NOT putting him down in any way, what packages get put out BY AA or any other carrier unless already published is just a guess.

All that is true.

I believe what he is referring to is a 3rd party analysis I posted stating they believed it made financial sense for AA to offer a package.

But you are absolutely right I am no longer an airline employee (though I am married to one and I do have recall) and the package offering is just a guess.

I don't dispute any of your charges.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

no, that was me.

that's the rumor. buyout package will be sweetened. get it while you can. don't miss the boat.

My post was a while ago so if it is fresh in his mind it probably was you.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Most all the mechanics are very happily working for SWA and love their jobs and enjoy going to work with their peers. We don't see the unpleasant or folks who hate their jobs at SWA.

Well I am glad to hear that but there are a few considerations.

#1 Aircraft mechanics either performed that job in the military and decided to pursue it as an occupation in their civilian life or went to school because they had an interest in pursuing that occupation. Me on the other hand...... I was just looking for a job to pay the bills. I had no particular interest in aircraft or airlines. It was just a job. I don't think any kid grows up dreaming of throwing heavy bags in cramped spaces in 100 degree weather. I am not downing anyone who does it for a living but I rather doubt working in Fleet is an achievement one strives for. I thankfully was spared most of that working at TULE. However if you really want to be honest about what I did I was pretty much an aircraft janitor. Again I don't think most people set out with a goal of cleaning aircraft for a living. It is just sort of a job you fall into.

#2 I actually really used to like working for American Airlines. My shop used to have a lot of camaraderie. There was a time when during lunch we would all eat together, watch TV, talk, play dominoes, whatever. In fact you would have standing room only near a domino table as people waited for an opening When they put up the smoke box outside the room was packed (standing room only) and you had a crowd outside. Those were good years.

Then 2 things happened that changed that shop forever. We lost two crew chiefs through retirement. When that happened my shop totally lost their direction. Then there was September 11th. That seems to forever alter the mood of all the employees.

By the time I left you were lucky to have 3 people in the break room during lunch. Everyone always had an attitude with everyone else. People were going out of their way not to associate with each other.

I can honestly say American Airlines post Sept 11th is not the same company I hired in with.

My attitude today would be much different had we maintained that camaraderie.

I know most people on here think I hated every second of every day of my career there and that I am just a bitter person. The truth is I hate what it became not what it was.

Everyone is just so damn polarized now.

It is sad really.

I wish American Airlines could go back to how it was. I wish people just enjoyed being with other people and accomplishing goals instead of turning into a bunch of snarling, rabid activist because they think everyone else is trying to undermine them. I see it everyday in these posts.

It breaks my heart, it really does. They (TWU and the UNION) took a warm atmosphere and turned it into a snake pit of victims, pandering, and politics (pretty much the political climate today so I guess they were just ahead of the curve).

If American Airlines employees are wondering why they are so unhappy...... that's why.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

All that is true.

I believe what he is referring to is a 3rd party analysis I posted stating they believed it made financial sense for AA to offer a package.

But you are absolutely right I am no longer an airline employee (though I am married to one and I do have recall) and the package offering is just a guess.

I don't dispute any of your charges.

lalilulelo

You should check the new contract book for the work group you belong too. Recall has changed in this new contract. Your recall either wanted or not may not be there.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

LA LI LE LU LO.

You're correct about the way airline employees dealt with one another in the past, it is NOT the same, the FUN is Gone.

That Happened before the 911 tragedy, IGM was in full swing at AA before then.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

lalilulelo

You should check the new contract book for the work group you belong too. Recall has changed in this new contract. Your recall either wanted or not may not be there.

I will look but it does not really matter.

At this stage in my life I would only put in a LOCAL transfer if I a) lost my current job and could find nothing in my new field or b) I could get a job at American Airlines and CS off half my time for the rest of my career.

I do appreciate the heads up though.

Thank you.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

LA LI LE LU LO.

You're correct about the way airline employees dealt with one another in the past, it is NOT the same, the FUN is Gone.

That Happened before the 911 tragedy, IGM was in full swing at AA before then.

Maybe.

Again what I saw back then at American Airlines is what I am seeing now as normalcy in the United States, a bunch of snarling, rabid activist pandering to a snake pit of victims they really don't give a damn about while pushing a political ideology.

I kid you not it is the exact same sh*t show I saw then. I am literally seeing the same thing unfold before my eyes today. I truly believe this is due to leftist influences. It only happened at American Airlines sooner because the TWU had a captive audience. I believe these industrial UNIONs are fundamentally flawed, that they are corrupted with socialist/communist political ideology and are more interested in doing their part politically than representing their membership.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

Maybe.

Again what I saw back then at American Airlines is what I am seeing now as normalcy in the United States, a bunch of snarling, rabid activist pandering to a snake pit of victims they really don't give a damn about while pushing a political ideology.

I kid you not it is the exact same sh*t show I saw then. I am literally seeing the same thing unfold before my eyes today. I truly believe this is due to leftist influences. It only happened at American Airlines sooner because the TWU had a captive audience. I believe these industrial UNIONs are fundamentally flawed, that they are corrupted with socialist/communist political ideology and are more interested in doing their part politically than representing their membership.

Ya know La', I swear to God, that science should do a lobotomy on the brains of you guys in OKIE-HOMA and Tex Ass, to see what makes you guys tick !!

Meaning, you Love to throw around the ' leftist' word, and 'socialist' word, and NEVER realize, that it's the F Company that gets people so pissed-off.

I know a Ton of people, who are happy with their high paying TWU Jobs, in many Locals. (Sure, having high seniority always helps).

For example, @ AA, At the NY Subway system (local 100), @ AMTRAK .
(Covid disruptions excluded) .

Your Turn !

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Your Turn !

Thanks. I'll take it.

Ya know La', I swear to God, that science should do a lobotomy on the brains of you guys in OKIE-HOMA and Tex Ass, to see what makes you guys tick !!

You know we say the same thing about blue states right?

As leftist destroy our national monuments and burn their own communities to the ground.

Defund and abolish the Police....... I mean you have to laugh at the stupidity of it.

Meaning, you Love to throw around the ' leftist' word, and 'socialist' word, and NEVER realize, that it's the F Company that gets people so pissed-off.

Are you denying that UNIONs have had historical ties with communist? I REALLY don't think you want to open that door Bears. It won't work out in your favor.

You say the company gets people pissed off? Yes they have pissed me off to but it had nothing to do with pay and benefits. I don't care for the attendance discussions at TULE. I think they are a form of harassment and honestly I am surprised the company has not been sued over that BS. I also don't like the required social bias "training" (more like propaganda called training) which is really just there to pander or appease leftist groups. Unfortunately that is par for the course in corporate America today.

If you think the company is to blame then why did I not see the same issues when I worked on the company side? Things on the company side were not nearly so polarized. In fact it was a peaceful and productive experience.

Where I work now is not UNIONized and we don't have those sorts of problems. I in no way feel I am treated unfairly. Not then and not now. I mean good grief I was doing non skilled janitorial work making more than most of the college graduates I knew. What did I have to be pissed off about?

I know a Ton of people, who are happy with their high paying TWU Jobs, in many Locals. (Sure, having high seniority always helps).

Great. Tell them to join this Forum then. Because that sure as hell is not what I see in these posts or in the last days of my shop.

For example, @ AA, At the NY Subway system (local 100), @ AMTRAK .
(Covid disruptions excluded) .

Amtrak is nothing more than a money laundering scam.

Amtrak runs at a loss by design to justify public funding. The UNION converts those tax dollars into campaign contributions via UNION dues from overpaid workers while at the same time working their members to vote Democrat.

We have gone over this before and I know you know my beliefs on Amtrak so I really don't understand why you would bring that up.

 

[BigTex]

"You know we say the same thing about blue states right?

As leftist destroy our national monuments and burn their own communities to the ground.

Defund and abolish the Police....... I mean you have to laugh at the stupidity of it."

You can't make this stuff up. That's the insanity of the left. This is supposedly tolerable and we should gladly vote for a senile near octogenarian.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What is the current top out for Fleet Service?

 

[ALUS78]

LALILULELO

Supposedly when there was a reduction of labor within the TWU you would Bump/displace the Jr guy in the system NO matter what station they were at. So if you were in TUL and the jr guy was in JFK you would have to go to JFK. AA would tell you since there were so many being cut that these were the stations that had jr mechanics. So on your sheet you would pick the station from the list you were supplied. With the IAM system you can choose a station that has a jr person to you and you can go there. This is the gist of how it's supposed to go BUT, the TWU and AA have made deals and each of the last layoffs in my 22 yrs here at AA have had some sort of deal cut. I really don't think anyone person can tell you how it is exactly supposed to work within the TWU system since each of the last 3 have been done a bit different. Seniority has been violated each time. Within the IAM system you could get bumped more than once before you even report to you new station.

Now IF there is any sort of Layoff, we will see just how the ASSociation will conduct its business. What Deals if any will be made.

It is MY OPINION that there won't be a layoff within Aircraft Maintenance, I think AA will package out the number of older guys that would go early or that are ready to go. Cutting the payroll and vacation and 401k money and MEDICAL they are required to fund. There is alot that goes into layoffs and it would make better business sense to give a package than to layoff. Also at that point NO ONE will have to take a wage concessions.

It's a WIN - WIN for both AA and the membership, AA can at that point project out payroll/Medical cost throughout the next 5-10 yrs.

I for one along with others are working hard to BRING a Vote from the NMB that will separate the M&R group from this ASSociation and we won't have to deal with any of the FOOLISHNESS done by these two industrial Unions which only care about dues and head count. So ask your wife if she has signed a card so that we can file before the end of the summer. AMFA@AA in 2020

I hope that answers your question without going into specifics of any layoff.

I had to read that paragraph a few times you emphasized your opinion so I'll respect that, but no layoffs in maintenance? You sound like a man who used to post here who stated "restore and more" while AA executives were walking up the Bankruptcy Courts steps

 

[ALUS78]

What is the current top out for Fleet Service?

Around $33.29 give or take a few cents

 

[dfw gen]

I had to read that paragraph a few times you emphasized your opinion so I'll respect that, but no layoffs in maintenance? You sound like a man who used to post here who stated "restore and more" while AA executives were walking up the Bankruptcy Courts steps

I personally have him blocked because o think he is a bitter person that resents that he had to leave american. But it is what it is.
In this case i think he has a point about layoffs on maintrnance. I think there will be layoffs but not as deep as flight attendants and fleet service. Simply because the company cant hire mechanics, there are not many out there to replace us. It takes a little effort to get an A&P certification.especially if you were fleet service in tulsa fluffing pillows. Most are.not interested in midnights with shitty days off working holidays. But i could be dreaming. Who knows