AAG announces changes at DCA and LGA

[MetalMover]

Bottom line is that this is the AA forum, and the topic has decided to now turn it into a combination of a "Union Now!" and "Occupy Wall Street" diatribe...

When you're ready to start discussing a little more something specific to AA, let us know.

Until then, you're just bringing up arguments that have been flogged to death on this forum for the past 14 years.

When did you become judge and jury?
You started with the "let the free market play out."
It is obvious to everyone on this board you are anti labor and anti union.
So we are not allowed to criticize any management but you can spew anti union rhetoric any time you want?
It's ok for you to continually blame labor over and over again like a broken record, but when a pro union post is made or one criticizing management, "it's a tired old argument."
You don't think your attacks on unions hasn't been flogged to death on these forums?
 
What a hypocrite.

 

[WorldTraveler]

What a hypocrite.

+1555

 

[comatose]

+1555

 
Is that how many times you gave yourself a +1?

 

[WorldTraveler]

that would be E's current score.... amazing how it keeps growing, isn't it?

also represents how dead on Metal Movers assessment is of E.

 

[eolesen]

Unlike you, WT, I have no interest in trying to rig my reputation score.

If other people vote me up or down, so be it.

At least I know it was earned, not stolen.

 

[FWAAA]

700 and Josh have finally toned down their relentless back and forth insults;   why can't the rest of you losers do the same?
 
Little wonder that some of you have been banned from other websites.

 

[WorldTraveler]

except that it was someone else who wrote that scathing indictment of E.

and every word of it is true.

esp. the hypocrite part.

 

[eolesen]

Whatever, WT. Feel free to engage yourself.

 

[WorldTraveler]

once again, I am simply affirming what someone else wrote.

You need to deal with the reality of how you are seen by the majority of people on this forum.

specific to this topic, you spent countless posts trying to defend AA mgmt's actions in NYC and yet this topic further validates that AA is pulling out of and reducing its presence in some of the largest and most competitive markets in the US from NYC and replacing them with service to much smaller markets.

that type of move will do nothing to allow the merger to increase AA's ability to compete in NYC.

 

[robbedagain]

Once things settle down and more aircraft come online I think there cld be good chances of more service out of nyc as well as may be Pacific runs esp w the 773 and the 787-9

 

[WorldTraveler]

There has to be a market, robbed. AA continues to pull out of and downsize the industry's largest markets from NYC; adding service on RJs to 10 destinations isn't going to do anything to help AA regain the business it has lost to competitors in NYC.

IN DCA, we still don't know who will win what with respect to slots but 15% of the slots are going to change hands.... regardless of the market, that is going to have an impact on the dominant carrier. Considering that the slots will move from a dominant legacy carrier to at least majority low fare carriers, the impact will be as certain as the DOJ wanted them to be.

Further add in that a number of the new slots will be used to/from DAL and perhaps DFW which will further put pressure on AA revenues, and the challenge for AA will be to hold onto what it does have.

Perhaps they think that by pulling out of DL and other carrier competitive markets, they will push low fare carriers to choose those markets over AA markets but AA hasn't ever carried much of the traffic in those markets - and there are low fare carriers in most of them anyway.

 

[eolesen]

I'm defending actions taken in NYC? Where? All I've said is there is a lot of RJ capacity which can come out of the combined network, and the schedule actions taken reflect that pretty well.
 
If you consider CLE, MSP, and DTW "the most competitive markets in NYC" then you've had a little too much to drink. It makes no more sense to serve those nonstop for AA than it does for DL to fly mainline between SLC and DFW (which is all RJ on DL).

As for the new markets? Did it ever occur to you that the principles of AIR-21 still apply? There are still limits as to which markets AA could dump and add, and CLE, MSP, and DTW hardly count as small communities which are underserved...
 

You need to deal with the reality of how you are seen by the majority of people on this forum.

I'm quite comfortable with how I'm seen by the majority of people on this forum, thank you.

You might want to take your own advice, though.

 

[robbedagain]

Actually wt theres an interesting article with a link on www.justplanenews.com that aa is nbr 2 in lga with 32% and dl 35% of the traffic and also in feb dl is ending lga roa flights but aa is operating them. In fact the article goes on to say aa is giving dl tough competition in a nbr of small markets out of lga

I found the article titled American Intensifies Competition with Delta at NYC
under the CAPA aviation which is linked with the American Solid finance permance on the www.justplanenews.com website

 

[eolesen]

I saw the same piece on CAPA's website. But, it appears to be behind the pay wall.

32% is entirely respectable. Heck, anything north of 20% is respectable. But apparently not good enough for everyone...

 

[WorldTraveler]

somehow you managed to miss that AA is exiting ATL-LGA, one of the largest markets from NYC and in the nation. 700 provided the list of top LGA markets on the US forum. GO have a look and tell us which markets AA will be serving from LGA and/or EWR as DL and UA are.


If AA can make NYC by having lots of small RJ markets, most of which are still competitive with DL from LGA
and/or JFK plus UA from EWR, instead of flying to top hub markets including other carriers' hubs, then I'll be happy to stand corrected down the road.

But what AA is doing at LGA with these changes is exactly what US did from LGA, only to later end up giving away its slots at LGA to DL because they didn't have a large enough meaningful presence in NYC to compete.