AAA ALPA Thread 10/12 to 10/18

[nostradamus]

Hmmmmm......

Didn't you say:
Didn't you also say:
I merely asked for the link - they one you said you "always have". Of course, then you posted:
Which, not surprisingly, didn't back up what you "reported". Which, when pinned down, you had to admit:
Interesting how being asked to support the "facts" you throw out is "flame baiting" in your world.........

Jim

You must of checked close and found a hair to split.

 

[BoeingBoy]

a hair to split.

Oh, those hairs were more than split already - all I had to do was point them out. If one doesn't want to be caught in their own web, they should be more careful when they weave it.....

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

Oh, those hairs were more than split already - all I had to do was point them out. If one doesn't want to be caught in their own web, they should be more careful when they weave it.....

Jim

How should someone pronounce potato, Jim is it potato or patato, this is much more significant than your weak argument. FFocus on this Jim.

 

[Bear96]

I assume that you, personally, feel no compunction whatsoever for speaking for "everyone else in the whole industry" as if you personally know their minds?

Nope, no mind reading. Just dispassionate observations grounded in reality. From what I can tell, the vast majority of other pilot groups are embarassed by the East's behavior.

But if I am wrong, please enlighten me as to which airlines' pilot groups out there think East is doing the right thing.

 

[Cactus737]

It's my honest observation that most of the pilots I've discussed this with see the Nic fiasco as an aberrational event. Descriptive phrases routinely come forth such as: "You guys really got F'd", and variations on that happy theme.

Right. And I wonder if those phrases were based upon your narrative of the facts or the actual award itself.

 

[P51Pilot]

And I wonder if those phrases were based upon your narrative of the facts or the actual award itself.

Versus what ALPO puts out? A corrupt organization that exists only as a clearing house fur dues and that shouldn't be trusted as far as you can spit.

 

[EastUS]

Nope, no mind reading. Just dispassionate observations grounded in reality. From what I can tell, the vast majority of other pilot groups are embarassed by the East's behavior.

But if I am wrong, please enlighten me as to which airlines' pilot groups out there think East is doing the right thing.

There we differ sir. I've no personal pretense that's sufficient so as to allow me to "speak" for any of the "other pilot groups". My observations are based on personal conversations. Given that most such occur with friends, I'll freely admit that it's no amazing fact that they are of similiar minds on the issue. Where/how you pull up any "vast majority" of ANY pilot group's thoughts will remain a mystery to me.

PS: Self ascribing your own notions to be "observations grounded in reality" hardly makes them any such thing.

 

[EastUS]

Right. And I wonder if those phrases were based upon your narrative of the facts or the actual award itself.

It never took more than to point out the fact that some AWA sorts, kids in grade school at the time my junior comrades started airline flying, would be "senior" to said comrades to produce instantly amazed responses. You can chalk such up to my narrative I suppose...but that's also the reality of "the actual award itself".

 

[Bear96]

There we differ sir. I've no personal pretense that's sufficient so as to allow me to "speak" for any of the "other pilot groups". My observations are based on personal conversations.

Your sense of self-righteousness is really clouding your reading comprehension skills. Hopefully you do a better job reading approach charts.

Please show me where I claimed to speak for anyone else.

I post based on my observations, just as you claim to do. But go ahead, keep on building up this strawman that I claimed to be speaking for others.

Meanwhile, we are all noticing you are dodging the question: What other pilot groups think East is doing the right thing?

 

[Cactus737]

It never took more than to point out the fact that some AWA sorts, kids in grade school at the time my junior comrades started airline flying, would be "senior" to said comrades to produce instantly amazed responses. You can chalk such up to my narrative I suppose...but that's also the reality of "the actual award itself".

Thank you for being honest.

 

[prechilill]

Your sense of self-righteousness is really clouding your reading comprehension skills. Hopefully you do a better job reading approach charts.

Please show me where I claimed to speak for anyone else.

I post based on my observations, just as you claim to do. But go ahead, keep on building up this strawman that I claimed to be speaking for others.

Meanwhile, we are all noticing you are dodging the question: What other pilot groups think East is doing the right thing?

bear,
I have spoken with a few USAir pilots. The tiny collection you see on this board are pretty much off the reservation. They will not admit to it but what they and a few others hold on to is a cloudy perception of reality with a pinch of injustice mixed into their coctail of victimization. They make sense to each other, like a collection of inmates in a prison cell swearing their innocense, while the rest of the world understands the truth.

 

[P51Pilot]

Your sense of self-righteousness is really clouding your reading comprehension skills. Hopefully you do a better job reading approach charts.

Please show me where I claimed to speak for anyone else.

I post based on my observations, just as you claim to do. But go ahead, keep on building up this strawman that I claimed to be speaking for others.

Meanwhile, we are all noticing you are dodging the question: What other pilot groups think East is doing the right thing?

When has ALPA promoted solidarity or other pilots groups looked up unless it was their OX being gored? Hank Duffy was more than willing to sit silent as Delta increased flying out ATL during the Eastern strike and watch his pilots walk right through the EAL pilots picket line. It probably didn't burden his sensibilities to much that Delta benefited from it. After all it was the EAL pilots OX. When it happens to the next group, you will see this all repeated. Heaven forbid if its one of the ALPA heavyweights. Hopefully US will set an example, and be the proverbial straw, to put the miserable excuse of a Union called ALPA out of its misery.

 

[EastUS]

Your sense of self-righteousness is really clouding your reading comprehension skills. Hopefully you do a better job reading approach charts.

Please show me where I claimed to speak for anyone else.

I post based on my observations, just as you claim to do. But go ahead, keep on building up this strawman that I claimed to be speaking for others.

Meanwhile, we are all noticing you are dodging the question: What other pilot groups think East is doing the right thing?

Sigh..this is past tiresome. " What other pilot groups think East is doing the right thing?" If you can actually read, you'll have noticed that I do NOT pretend to know the collective mind of other pilot groups. I make my personal judgements based upon what I encounter. is that at ALL clear to you? How many pilots from how many "groups" do you encounter and speak to in order to form your thoughts/opinions/etc?

I'm now having to assume that the bulk of your babbling's purely in jest. you start with assailing my "sense of self righteousness"..and immediately offer smarmy patronizing BS via "Hopefully you do a better job reading approach charts." Whew!...It's a good thing that you've an immaculate and humble spirit sir, and feel fully qualified to proffer up BS on any and all aspects of...flying..or pretty much anything/everything.

 

[EastUS]

bear,
I have spoken with a few USAir pilots. The tiny collection you see on this board are pretty much off the reservation. They will not admit to it but what they and a few others hold on to is a cloudy perception of reality with a pinch of injustice mixed into their coctail of victimization. They make sense to each other, like a collection of inmates in a prison cell swearing their innocense, while the rest of the world understands the truth.

"I have spoken with a few USAir pilots. " Hearing "The Voices" again? :blink:

"while the rest of the world understands the truth" Disregard the above....it's more than just Voices methinks

Just curious: What is your great west "truth" that evidently the entire "rest of the world" duly subscribes to? I'm a little bit surprised to learn that this little labor fracas was a global issue in the first place...but if you say so...it must be true.

 

[767jetz]

What is your great west "truth" that evidently the entire "rest of the world" duly subscribes to?

That DOH/LOS is a non-starter for pilots of two very different airlines that merge. The rest of the (airline industry) world subscribes to the truth that DOH/LOS is NOT an equitable way to merge pilot seniority lists, and that only (some) USAir East pilots think it is.