AWA ALPA Thread 10/12 to 10/18

[electricjet98]

In a way he did, however he holds NO OFFICIAL position thus can not and should not be held accountable for what was only his opinion. Scape goat if you asks me. Like I said could not stand his politics but his being terminated for this BS?? He's got me on his side for that...

Any more information, please! With the exception of a couple of the westies, we all took great exception to his views and postings...but none of us would want to see this outcome. :down: In an effort for the rest of us to avoid this same thing, just what are the "errors" he is accused of making? Simply posting on this webboard with views that we're not one big happy family at LCC?

 

[Piedmont1984]

Let me get this straight. CM posts his opinion, he holds no official position, and for that he is terminated.

Someone else, who holds a very high position, is arrested for DUI, more than once, goes to jail, and doesn't even miss a single day at work (except for the day he spent locked up with the women).

I'm sorry boys and girls, but the fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat yet on this issue.

SAVE CHIP

 

[hp_fa]

In a way he did, however he holds NO OFFICIAL position thus can not and should not be held accountable for what was only his opinion. Scape goat if you asks me. Like I said could not stand his politics but his being terminated for this BS?? He's got me on his side for that...

Since I don't know anything about what is, or had been, going on, one glaring point stands out to me. Why isn't he posting?

If he has been terminated, the company no longer should have any influence over him. If he has hired an attorney has the attorney told him to shut up? The problem there is that if the company did take action over past posts, those are already posted and probably archived.

There is at least one large part of the puzzle missing because what is, or isn't, going on makes little sense with the information available to date.

 

[Phoenix]

...I expect that we will be prepared for and enter into good-faith bargaining with management that week...

 

[SkyRat]

Just got off the phone w/ someone that knows someone, bla bla... Can't be specific.

The Co. is looking at the same thing the West ACT guys did years ago. Any comments, suggestions, or encouragement to perform "Illegal Work Actions" can and will get you in legal trouble. Remember that nothing is private anymore. And like I posted several months ago as a friendly warning, any judge can issue a subpoena to any site for IP addresses, and find the author of a post.

That and some other actions might have put about 100 or so pilots in hot waters. Was told that more are to follow CM. That SUCKS! But we need to be smart and hey, responsible for our actions.

I wish him and the rest the Best of Luck!

GL

 

[Bear96]

In a way he did, however he holds NO OFFICIAL position thus can not and should not be held accountable for what was only his opinion.

Are you saying people should not be responsible for what they say, unless they hold some sort of "official position"?

If so, I disagree.

 

[Phoenix]

I disagree.

Say it isn't so.

 

[Bear96]

Say it isn't so.

So your position is that one should not be held accountable for one's words?

(CAUTION! WARNING! ALERT! That was a TRICK QUESTION! Think before responding! Pretend it is an ALPA rep who is speaking. The ALPA rep should not be held accountable for what he said?)

 

[Busdrvr]

I hope the previously mentioned individual is able to get his job back. I've never wished that kind of thing on someone. I hope ALPA steps up to the plate, and does it's best to fix it. That said....

BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!! If you're sick, go to the F'n Dr. Heck, find a neighbor whose a Dr. DOCUMENT EVERYTHING when you're in the right. In some respects, I think the company was setting people up. I couldn't believe the MEC on the EAST was publishing crap that IMO implicitly suggested being "overly safe" in operations. I think the company just sat back, watched and gathered data. Instead of PREVENTION (ie issuing warnings to those suspected of ill behavior), they waited until a STRONG case could be made to FIRE someone. Make no mistake, the company ain't your buddy right now, they are out for blood.

Again, BE CAREFUL out there!!

 

[Piedmont1984]

So your position is that one should not be held accountable for one's words?

(CAUTION! WARNING! ALERT! That was a TRICK QUESTION! Think before responding! Pretend it is an ALPA rep who is speaking. The ALPA rep should not be held accountable for what he said?)

Held accountable how for one's words? Is he being accused of slander - or libel?

Granted, we are all speculating here, we do not have much information. But we have a right to state our opinions without fear of retaliation. If we do not, let's just close this forum down.

CM holds no official position in either the company or the union. As such, his opinions, advice, suggestions, theories, etc., can only carry as much authority as we choose to give him.

I can recall of no postings on this forum by CM which would warrant a week in the cornfield, let alone terminating someone who has been the poster boy for a good and devoted company man.

 

[Bear96]

Held accountable how for one's words? Is he being accused of slander - or libel?

I don't know -- you tell me. Is he being accused of slander, or libel?

Probably neither. But that is irrelevant, as neither slander nor libel are relevant to this discussion. One can be held accountable for one's words in ways other than being sued for slander or libel.

But we have a right to state our opinions without fear of retaliation.

Well, no. You have a right to state your opinions, yes. But other entities (including employers) have the right to respond to your words (i.e., "retaliate"), within the bounds of the law. So it is not legally accurate to say you have the "right" to state your opinion without fear of retaliation (unless you are referring to retaliation from the government, in which case certain constitutional protections may apply).

I can recall of no postings on this forum by CM which would warrant a week in the cornfield, let alone terminating someone who has been the poster boy for a good and devoted company man.

I don't know what happened to him. But speaking only hypothetically, certainly the operators of this website can send a poster to the cornfield for whatever reason they want to, and employers can legally terminate someone for a wide range of reasons.

(BTW, has he really been terminated?)

 

[AWA320]

Let me get this straight. CM posts his opinion, he holds no official position, and for that he is terminated.

Someone else, who holds a very high position, is arrested for DUI, more than once, goes to jail, and doesn't even miss a single day at work (except for the day he spent locked up with the women).

I'm sorry boys and girls, but the fat lady hasn't even cleared her throat yet on this issue.

SAVE CHIP

Well Piedmont the person in question holds a position for which only the BOD can remove plus comparing apples to oranges. I feel that he never should have been let go for this and I am disappointed in the companies decision to do so.

 

[AWA320]

Are you saying people should not be responsible for what they say, unless they hold some sort of "official position"?

If so, I disagree.

Not at all Bear. What I am saying is that he held no official position an can not advocate a job action. One line pilot making a suggestion on his personal views is not grounds for termination.

 

[Bear96]

First, has he really been terminated?

One line pilot making a suggestion on his personal views is not grounds for termination.

That depends on the employer's policies. An employer can certainly have a policy that employees shall not post anything on the internet disparaging or threatening their employer or other employees. Perfectly legal.