AA/TWU/TWA/AMFA

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On 7/27/2003 12:07:05 PM Buck wrote:

And all of the TWU airlines? How are they performing?

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Eagle, very good. American, not so good. Off the top of my head I can/t think of any other airlines that have TWU mechanics, if there are any.

Ironically enough, the only story I have read lately about employees causing a ruckus is the SWA FA/s.

 

[will fix for food]

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On 7/27/2003 103 PM Checking it Out wrote:


United unlimited Farmout rights, Closing Maintenance Bases, and massive layoffs.

SWA No Heavy Maintenance Lack of Participation, and begging for help from the members to participate.

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Just like it is wrong to point out SWA's pay scale and have AMFA take credit for it, it is also wrong to point to all the F----D up stuff going on there and at UAL and place the blame on AMFA. That was all inherited from the IBT and IAM.

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 7/27/2003 11:32:42 AM will fix for food wrote:

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On 7/27/2003 9:39:21 AM KCFlyer wrote:



OR at the very least, a stake in their heart.

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Why would you say that? AMFA is at enough airlines now that you can get a good idea of their impact on a carrier's operation. It appears to me that their impact is about zero or maybe even borderline positive. I haven/t heard any stories that any AMFA mechanics at any airlines are overly militant and are causing disruption. All the AMFA airlines are doing relatively well, although you should exclude SWA and UAL's performance from an analysis as AMFA is far too new there.

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You know, maybe I'm just a managment koolaid drinker sympathizer, but is being a "thorn in the side of AA" supposed to somehow help improve relations between labor and managment?

 

[Buck]

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On 7/27/2003 103 PM Checking it Out wrote:


How can anyone support an organization like amfa who gives the companies unlimited Heavy Maintenance Farmout Language.

NW closing Maintenance bases, Heavy Maintenance being performed overseas, Massive Layoffs.

United unlimited Farmout rights, Closing Maintenance Bases, and massive layoffs.

Alaska Closing Maintenance in Seatle and farming out 737 Maintenance.

SWA No Heavy Maintenance Lack of Participation, and begging for help from the members to participate.

ATA unlimited Farmout Language.

What a record to be proud of! Soon the Line AMT's will be outsourced as well.

amfa is powerless to stop this injustice and they continue to allow this to happen.

A Signed card means your allowing this to Continue! What a record.

TWU SOLIDARITY!


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Farm it out? What about the TWU farming it in at OSM rates? How many times are you going to harp about something that the TWU is guilty of? You condone lower wages and benefits for more jobs, what are you anti-union?

 

[RV4]

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On 7/27/2003 2:59:34 PM KCFlyer wrote:




You know, maybe I'm just a managment koolaid drinker sympathizer, but is being a "thorn in the side of AA" supposed to somehow help improve relations between labor and managment?
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You know, maybe I'm just an AMFA koolaid drinker or supporter, but there is a big difference between "thorn in the side" and "stake in heart". Even a TWU stooge knows that to be true.
It is interesting that the anti-AMFA arguements on this board cover a spectrum from "outsource and massive layoffs" all the way to a "stake in the heart" of the company. It all sounds like FEAR to me, but FEAR from two sides of a thought process of reality.

 

[Hopeful]

KC FLYER: What part of getting F%$^ED by the TWU and AA don't you understand?

How much are we supposed to have shoved up or rectums before it's acceptable by your standards?

AA has raped us but at the same time taking care of themselves by continuing their stock options. They have take away sick time, IOD time, vacation time and oh yes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Oh I'm sorry! According to KC FLYER, AA owes its employees NOTHING!

They don't owe us benefits and they don't owe us a decent living. Isn't that right, KC FLYER?

You keep referring to labor/management relations! The relationship you dream of exists only between JIM LITTLE and WHOEVER the CEO is at the time.

AA, like the other carriers, have taken advantage of the economy, airline industry and 9/11 to deal a major blow to the unions.

KCFLYER and those like him are part of the reason the airline industry is in the condition they are in today.

THEY WANT TO FLY A $100,000,000.00 AIRCRAFT SEVERAL THOUSAND MILES ALL FOR $99.95! GUARANTEED!

KCFLYER, DO YOU SHOP AROUND FOR DOCTORS AND DENTISTS?
DO YOU NOT SEEK MEDICAL ATTENTION BECAUSE OF MEDICAL FEES UNTIL THEY GIVE YOU A DISCOUNT!

 

[MCI transplant]

Hopeful--- With A.A./TWU/Individuals pushing A.M.F.A., all out to get ride of all ex-TWA employees by years end,why should we bother? No matter if the Union is TWU, or AMFA, we will still be the bastards of the Airlines! That's if there will be any of us left to vote! So what's the point?

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 7/27/2003 6:57:22 PM Hopeful wrote:

WOW! Let's see! 432 shares of $5 excercised stock options per mechanic!

Can you put me in a Mercedes for that amount?

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Would it put management in one?

 

[Hopeful]

WOW! Let's see! 432 shares of $5 excercised stock options per mechanic!

Can you put me in a Mercedes for that amount?

Again KC, you're so skewed by management training you miss the point of the worker on the ground level.

FOR AA TO COMPETE WITH LIKES OF JETBLUE AND SOUTHWEST, THE HAVE TO RESORT TO RAPING THEIR EMPLOYEES! HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK AN AA EMPLOYEE SHOULD WORK FOR TO MAKE AA PROFITABLE AND NOT SHARE IN THE WEALTH?

 

[Hopeful]

Since you have all the numbers, how much stock does the AA upper crust get compared to the lowly employee?

 

[KCFlyer]

Hopeful, you can't get what you won't accept. A stake in the company is one of them. I guess that's what managment gets for not having a union contract. BTW, have you had any luck finding any of my posts saying that AA should put the screws to you? Even one? What about what I tell the flying public who DO demand $99 fares? Any comment?

 

[KCFlyer]

What managment gives (bear in mind that "managment" refers to several folks who will never see six figures in their incomes):

No overtime pay, No raises ( it's easier to stop raises in the non union ranks), first to get pay cuts, first to get reductions in benefits. And they've all been pretty quiet about it all.

 

[Hopeful]

KC FLYER: Let me help you out! I wonder how many concessions this crew gave back to AA over the years!


Insider & restricted shareholder transactions reported over the last two years
Date Who Shares Transaction ADVERTISEMENT


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2002-12-31 MCNAMARA, ANNE H.
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2002-12-31 MARLETT, CHARLES D.
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2002-12-31 ARPEY, GERARD J.
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2002-12-31 CARTY, DONALD J.
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(Value of $8,914)
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(Value of $69,660)
2002-06-13 CAMPBELL, JEFFREY C.
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Director 2,133 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $45,027)
2002-05-16 RODGERS, JOE M.
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 PURCELL, PHILIP J.
Director 2,133 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $45,027)
2002-05-16 MILES, MICHAEL A.
Director 2,133 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $45,027)
2002-05-16 MCLAUGHLIN, ANN D.
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 GRAVES, EARL G.
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 BACHMANN, JOHN W.
Director 2,133 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $45,027)
2002-05-16 CODINA, ARMANDO M
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 BRENNAN, EDWARD A.
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 BOREN, DAVID L.
Director 1,422 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $30,018)
2002-05-16 STAUBACH, ROGER T.
Director 2,133 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $21.11 per share.
(Value of $45,027)
2002-05-15 HORTON, THOMAS W.
Chief Financial Officer 15,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $20.82 per share.
(Value of $312,300)
2002-05-03 HORTON, THOMAS W.
Chief Financial Officer 5,000 Purchase at $20.10 per share.
(Cost of $100,500)
2002-04-17 MCNAMARA, ANNE H.
Senior Vice President 9,599 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $24.07 per share.
(Value of $231,047)
2002-04-17 MARLETT, CHARLES D.
Secretary 3,072 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $24.07 per share.
(Value of $73,943)
2002-04-17 HORTON, THOMAS W.
Chief Financial Officer 7,295 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $24.07 per share.
(Value of $175,590)
2002-04-17 GARTON, DANIEL P.
Executive Vice President 6,518 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $24.07 per share.
(Value of $156,888)
2002-04-17 ARPEY, GERARD J.
President 6,518 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $24.07 per share.
(Value of $156,888)
2002-04-17 CARTY, DONALD J.
Executive Vice President 17,775 Disposition (Non Open Market) at $0 per share.
2002-02-27 MCNAMARA, ANNE H.
Senior Vice President 13,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $360,585)
2002-02-27 MARLETT, CHARLES D.
Secretary 7,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $186,970)
2002-02-27 HORTON, THOMAS W.
Chief Financial Officer 13,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $360,585)
2002-02-27 GUNN, MICHAEL W.
Senior Vice President 16,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $440,715)
2002-02-27 GARTON, DANIEL P.
Executive Vice President 16,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $440,715)
2002-02-27 ARPEY, GERARD J.
President 16,500 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $440,715)
2002-02-27 CARTY, DONALD J.
Executive Vice President 52,000 Acquisition (Non Open Market) at $26.71 per share.
(Value of $1,388,920)
2002-02-06 CARTY, DONALD J.
Executive Vice President 47,400 Option Exercise at $16.468 per share.
(Cost of $780,583)
2001-09-25 MCNAMARA, ANNE H.
Senior Vice President 1,000 Purchase at $18.50 per share.
(Cost of $18,500)
2001-09-24 MILES, MICHAEL A.
Director 10,000 Purchase at $19.25 per share.
(Cost of $192,500)
2001-09-21 BACHMANN, JOHN W.
Director 1,000 Purchase at $17.98 per share.
(Cost of $17,980)
2001-09-19 CARTY, DONALD J.
Executive Vice President 40,000 Purchase at $19.30 per share.
(Cost of $772,000)

 

[KCFlyer]

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On 7/27/2003 7:34:24 PM Hopeful wrote:

Had I deleted the other members, you would be the first to say I have selectively sought my information.

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I would? Having any luck finding my posts where I said you guys were overpaid? Stumble accross any where I said you deserve what your getting? Still think I'm the type customer that is killing your industry?

 

[Hopeful]

I'll say it again! "I NEVER WANTED STOCK" I STILL DON'T WANT STOCK!

I'd rather have my salary untouched along with benefits and pension!
What concessions does management give in return for heft stock options?
Any comment?