AA flight attendants

[700UW]

Go ask your LEC, there are two precedent setting grievances, and the CBA language for CWA, AFA, and certain IAM groups provides boarding by DOH.
 
And the CBA language says that non-revenue travel will be provided.
 
Do you realize if its in your CBA is contractual and negotiated.
 
Contact your base chair for more info.

 

[johnny kat]

Jim, I guess the APFA and AFA really have their work cut out for them. And I hope for all our sakes they are successful negotiating a CBA we can all live with.

PBS training will begin sometime in the summer this year. Does it begin there as well? I've heard so much about PBS, I am ready to tackle the ins and outs of it. The concept has been hanging over our heads for years. In the end, though, the prospects of this merger are a very compelling reason for all of us to come together and do the best we can to ensure things go smoothly. For the most part we at US are motivated and looking forward to the positive results. This merger is different than the other 3(that I've been around for) in that for the first time the original rust belt Allegheny/USAir/USAirways employees are the ones to do the changing. Old habits die hard.

All the best.

 

[usfliboi]

Go ask your LEC, there are two precedent setting grievances, and the CBA language for CWA, AFA, and certain IAM groups provides boarding by DOH.
 
And the CBA language says that non-revenue travel will be provided.
 
Do you realize if its in your CBA is contractual and negotiated.
 
Contact your base chair for more info.

I did and also have a copy of contract however NO Where does it say we are entitled to free pass rights as part of our contract. It does say...when pass riding it would be based on senority. Again not an entitlement to fly for free but when flying ....senority applies.. You are making my point...It isnt in any CBA.... Its a privledge not a contracted right.  Maybe when I see another groups CBA Ill believe it.

 

[700UW]

Here is the language from both IAM CBAs.
 
I would suspect its the same, in yours.
 

 
From Fleet, they have in their seniority clause that DOH will be used for travel, and here is the other article:
 
Employees covered by this Agreement and their immediate families will be granted the same transportation privileges on
the Company's system as may be established by Company regulations for all personnel.
 
Mechanic and Related:
 
A) Employees and their immediate family will be granted the same transportation privileges on the Company's system as may be established by Company regulations for all personnel.

Are you sure you dont have it in your CBA?
 
 

I did and also have a copy of contract however NO Where does it say we are entitled to free pass rights as part of our contract. It does say...when pass riding it would be based on senority. Again not an entitlement to fly for free but when flying ....senority applies.. You are making my point...It isnt in any CBA.... Its a privledge not a contracted right.  Maybe when I see another groups CBA Ill believe it.

 
Section 26-10 from the AFA/US CBA:
 

PASSES
1. A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise provided for in this Agreement. These benefits shall include retiree travel and survivors of deceased employee travel in accordance with Company policy. During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants, their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit. This Paragraph shall not prevent the Company from making changes to the administration of the pass policy.

If I found it why didnt you?

 

[jimntx]

I have no idea when PBS training will start here. When they first started talking about it approx. 2 years ago, IIRC there was a 5-7 year timeline for training, installation, and operation. I'm not concerned about it because I use the online bidding now which will be mandatory with PBS. The only difference is that I will be bidding for individual trips and days off instead of a full month's schedule and days off. There are many flight attendants here are AA who just refuse to use the on-line bidding. After 30-40 years of sitting down with a paper bidsheet and going through it one bid line at a time, drawing x's through the lines they absolutely don't want, and making handwritten lists of the ones they do to be then rank ordered before manually entering them into the computer, they state that they will NEVER use the on-line bidding. What they don't understand is that there really ain't no other way to bid a PBS system regardless of which software you elect to use. There are 3 or 4 PBS systems on the market, and they differ primarily in how much the company can "tweek" the system to its advantage. I have friends at both Frontier and Alaska that use PBS. They have different PBS systems, but they both love it. (They both were in my new hire class at AA, but when we were furloughed in 2003 they went on to Frontier and Alaska and chose not to return when we were recalled. So, they have used the current AA bidding system, and both say that PBS is preferable.)

The next few years should prove very interesting. And, the neat thing is that I have the years and the age such that if I don't like the way things are going, I can retire.

 

[WorldTraveler]

at least you can still get on a plane, be able to figure out how the system works, and succeed regardless.

 

[IORFA]

Tried that online bidding tool AA supplies. Didn't work for me. It came up with trips that touched days I said no to and had 60 hour lines mixed into 85 hour lines. When I put into it to maximize pay. They whole thing was screwy. Tried to use it a few times and still the same. Not for me until they make it do what it says it can do.

P.S. We do get paid actual time for sick calls. Unless you use California sick and your trip is worth more than your alloted California sick.

 

[usfliboi]

Here is the language from both IAM CBAs.
 
I would suspect its the same, in yours.
 
Are you sure you dont have it in your CBA?
 
 
 
Section 26-10 from the AFA/US CBA:
 
If I found it why didnt you?

Again youre making my point. What does the last line of the one quote you provided say?  What does the definition of priviledge ? Watch and see what happens... 

 

[RJcasualty]

At Envoy, all FA's have been trained on PBS. We've been submitting both live paper bids and mock PBS bids. 

 

[700UW]

Again youre making my point. What does the last line of the one quote you provided say?  What does the definition of priviledge ? Watch and see what happens... 

You wont ever get it, if its in your CBA they cant change it, you dont understand what you read?
 
 PASSES
1. A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise provided for in this Agreement. These benefits shall include retiree travel and survivors of deceased employee travel in accordance with Company policy. During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants, their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit. This Paragraph shall not prevent the Company from making changes to the administration of the pass policy.

 

[bob@las-AA]

700UW: I’m convinced that what you call expressing your opinion on this entire board is nothing short of a prolonged and unwanted spell of flatulence. The sound to which could only be compared to the sound of a large high school marching band tuba. Complete with large plumes of steam rushing out your hind quarters and pie hole. The tone in your posts closely resembles a condition called “narcissism”, although this condition is not fatal but the side effects of this untreated condition can leave the afflicted   individual alone and shunned by general public. But fear not, your condition is treatable. But for now, I will have to ponder on your best path to recovery.

 

[kirkpatrick]

Note the wording:  to reduce their relative boarding priority WITH RESPECT TO OTHER EMPLOYEE GROUPS.  Unless I'm missing something, I don't see any problem with the company going ahead with their stated plans.
 
MK

 

[usfliboi]

 
700UW: I’m convinced that what you call expressing your opinion on this entire board is nothing short of a prolonged and unwanted spell of flatulence. The sound to which could only be compared to the sound of a large high school marching band tuba. Complete with large plumes of steam rushing out your hind quarters and pie hole. The tone in your posts closely resembles a condition called “narcissism”, although this condition is not fatal but the side effects of this untreated condition can leave the afflicted   individual alone and shunned by general public. But fear not, your condition is treatable. But for now, I will have to ponder on your best path to recovery.
 

LOL There is a term for the type of guys who have to pretend they "know all" He still ignores the fact (its getting in his way) that its a privledge and can be removed at anytime. But allow Doug to show him how its done!

 

[700UW]

Learn to read and comprehend:
 
 PASSES
1. A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise provided for in this Agreement. These benefits shall include retiree travel and survivors of deceased employee travel in accordance with Company policy. During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants, their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit. This Paragraph shall not prevent the Company from making changes to the administration of the pass policy.

 

[AirLUVer]

Learn to read and comprehend:
 
 PASSES
1. A Flight Attendant shall be provided on-line and interline pass benefits in accordance with Company Policy unless otherwise provided for in this Agreement. These benefits shall include retiree travel and survivors of deceased employee travel in accordance with Company policy. During the term of this Agreement, the Company shall not modify its pass policy to cap the number of times Flight Attendants, retired Flight Attendants, their spouses, eligible dependents and survivors, may utilize their space available travel privileges, to reduce their relative boarding priority with respect to other employee groups, or to otherwise substantially reduce this underlying benefit. This Paragraph shall not prevent the Company from making changes to the administration of the pass policy.

 
So how come you are ignoring what I have hi-lighted in your own quote!