AA flight attendants

[700UW]

Do you realize that a CBA doesnt change when two carriers are merged?
 
Do you even realize US and HP merged in 2005 and the pilots are still under separate CBAs?
 
Do you know that the East and West Flight Attendants operated on separate CBAs for over seven years?
 
A merger doesnt void a CBA nor change it till its negotiated.
So dont let the facts get in your way.
 
And what does the PIT FA have to do with anything?
 
Keep deflecting and take the time to educate yourself.
 
No CBAs on PMUS or PMAA will change unless its negotiated into a new Section 6 negotiation or a JCBA.

 

[jimntx]

You just keep lecturing us all on your precious CBA. Let's see how many PMUS employees get to board by seniority on PMAA flights. And, if (and that is a BIG IF) boarding by seniority is in the JCBA, we will all bow to your superior wisdom and insight.

But, considering that the PMUS represented groups that contractually board by seniority are much smaller than the PMAA side, let's just see what's in the JCBA negotiated by the two groups. Stir that with a new AAL management headed by DP which has already stated that the PMAA policy will prevail, and I think you're going to get a PMAA policy win.

But, you go right ahead and bet the rent money on the other possible outcome. Oh, and don't forget to state endlessly that until a JCBA is negotiated and approved, nothing changes. You're absolutely right there. Until that JCBA is negotiated and approved, you are going to sound like a broken record with your incisive grasp of the obvious.

 

[700UW]

PMAA flights have nothing to do with the PMUS flights until the two companies totally merge than or the company tries to change the PMUS policy its a violation of the CBA and precedent winning arbitration and grievance awards.
 
Is that too hard to understand?
 
The facts remain, US will be in violation of Federal Law and the unions can take them to court and get a TRO or an injunction, we have been through this before at US, have you at AA?
 
And US said they could outsource airbus overhaul, yet Judge Robert Cindrich a Federal Judge in PIT shut that down with a injunction.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[jimntx]

Really? And, how well is PIT doing these days? Isn't there at least one or two other threads on here about layoffs in PIT? Oh yes, here it is...

http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/56633-layoffs-in-pit-announced/

 

[700UW]

Not layoffs, job cuts, US IAM M&R have a no furlough clause as long as the effected employees exercise their seniority.
 
And go look in the hangars in PIT there are Airbus Aircraft getting overhauled as we type.
 
And do you take joy in it?
 
When you are shown to be wrong, do you always change the subject and deflect?
 
Like I said, when two airline merge the CBAs remain in effect until a JCBA is negotiated and ratified, can I explain it any simpler to you or easier for you to understand?

 

[jimntx]

Oh, so as long as the company calls it job cuts and not furloughs, it's ok?  Talk about changing the subject to deflect?  The phrase, pot calling the kettle black, comes to mind.  Knock yourself out.  You are back on ignore.  Your endless repetitions of old news and your fantasies have killed several discussion threads.

 

[iluvaa]

Jim why do you argue with a man that knows everything

 

[700UW]

Do the facts upset you?
 
There is a no furlough clause in the CBA.
Thats a fact, yes job cuts suck, but at least the effected members have choices.
 
Once again, jimtx slammed the cuts in PIT and I rebutted his claim.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.
 
 

The Company will not furlough to the street any Base  Mechanic who is active as of the effective date of this agreement provided such employee exercises their seniority to the fullest extent. (Subject to force majeure provisions as described in Article 5.F and 20.D.2) 

The Company shall maintain a minimum headcount of six hundred seventy-five (675) active Base Maintenance Lead Mechanics, Mechanics, Inspectors, Lead Utility and Utility employees combined. (Subject to force majeure provisions as  described in Article 5.F and 20.D.2.)
 

 

[AdAstraPerAspera]

Every time 700 says "don't let the facts get in your way" I do a shot. I'm drunk as balls right now

 

[FWAAA]

Every time 700 says "don't let the facts get in your way" I do a shot. I'm drunk as balls right now

It's one of his favorite phrases, like WT posting "what you don't realize is . . . "

 

[700UW]

Every time 700 says "don't let the facts get in your way" I do a shot. I'm drunk as balls right now

Just make sure you dont drink eight hours before you have to go on duty, lol.

 

[johnny kat]

I just went onto the wings webite to review the new pass program rules and I find that they have been taken off the web site.  No mention of DPs pass program over on the AA site either.  700 is correct this issue will play itself out in the grievance court.
 
You people at AA seem a little "polyannish" about all this stuff.  I quess it would never occur to you company lap dogs that maybe you could do better if only you would stop with AA company rah rah b/s.  One would think after being on the bottom of the industry for so long you would seek to better your lot.  I fear for the US side, that we have gotten into bed with a dragon monster, or the big bad wolf with bad breath or both.  Sigh

 

[FWAAA]

You people at AA seem a little "polyannish" about all this stuff.  I quess it would never occur to you company lap dogs that maybe you could do better if only you would stop with AA company rah rah b/s.  One would think after being on the bottom of the industry for so long you would seek to better your lot.  I fear for the US side, that we have gotten into bed with a dragon monster, or the big bad wolf with bad breath or both.  Sigh

I don't know what you mean by "bottom of the industry for so long" since AA's pilots and FAs were at or near the top of the industry in pay and benefits for the last dozen years.   AA's labor costs were about $2 billion more per year than they would have been had the AA employees been paid the US Airways pay and benefits.    
 
If anybody's a lap-dog, the low self-esteem US pilots and FAs are the primary example, as they worked from 2005 until 2013 at the lowest wages and benefits of any legacy carrier with nary a peep.   

 

[johnny kat]

SARCASM: 1. A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound...

 

[AANOTOK]

Maybe you meant Pollyannaish and not "Polyannish", but nevertheless I prefer Brazen. And yes, I am!