AA fascination with HP/US merger

[operaations]

Good then, AA employees of all seniority ranges are happy, working, and "over it."

As long as you can live with yourself, good for you.

And don't feel bad for any of us at US-HP, we'll be just fine, thank you, and excited about the future.

[post="273644"][/post]​

I have a question. What would i need to be worried about. You said live with my self. What did the average AA employee do that was wrong.

 

[Light Years]

I don't know, what does the average AA employee have to do with the integration of two competing airlines? Who is over here spouting off about the AA/TWA merger?

You guys do your thing, we'll do ours.

 

[FA Mikey]

Didnt bring up the subject just answered the question

 

[KCFlyer]

Good then, AA employees of all seniority ranges are happy, working, and "over it."

As long as you can live with yourself, good for you.

And don't feel bad for any of us at US-HP, we'll be just fine, thank you, and excited about the future.

[post="273644"][/post]​

HP-US

 

[Light Years]

Ok then, don't worry about any of us at HP-US. ?

 

[UseYourHead]

Jim,

Very well said, I have always been amazed that in the eyes of those whom feel "wronged" in seniority integrations, both sides (that are 180 degrees apart in point of view) are convinced that they are correct.

It is the biggest exercise in Fear & Greed that I can think of on a mass quantity basis.

Sad thing is that it does not have to be that way, I hope we can agree to agree for this one, it would surely make living together mo-betta in the years to come.

Actually, Bob, what you're seeing is how the definition of "fair" is always in the eye of the beholder. What one person sees as eminently fair is grossly unfair to someone else. It's pretty much always been true in this industry and will probably be pretty much always true in the future.

Jim

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[aafsc]

First, look who started this thread on the U board, an ex-TWA employee. I have never started a thread about TWA (or any thread at all) on this website, I only respond to them. Workingman, the arbitrator has ruled, it is final. Yes Piney, some of the TWA seniority issues are still in the courts. The TWAers have lost all court cases and grievences and in fact just recently lost another grievance. Some pilots filed a last appeal with the US Supreme Court but it is very unlikely the court will accept the case. The TW ramp and AMTs have a civil suit going (an appeal after they lost the first one) and I believe the flight attendants have 1 or more suits going. AA's unions had a LEGAL RESPONSIBILITY to protect it's members, not future would be members. As far as ramp and AMTs go, the ARBITRATOR put a fence around the two groups protecting the TWAers at their bases/hubs (MCI/STL) and nAAtives at theirs. I would reccomend this at HP/US because it works quite well, fences are a beautiful thing. However, the diffferences between AA/TW and HP/US is the fact that some of their unions are the same at HP/US (ALPA/AFA) where at AA/TW none of the unions were the same. The bottom line is that the TWAers wanted a seniority windfall over the nAAtives and they are bitter because they did not get it.

 

[L1011Ret]

You really know nothing about what happened to the F/As. Trying for a windfall? Absolute nonsense. bbb

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Obviously the AA employees have a problem they just won't shut up about this merger.

 

[aafsc]

You really know nothing about what happened to the F/As. Trying for a windfall? Absolute nonsense. bbb

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Yes I do. The APFA stapled them because that is what they felt they had to do to protect their members. AMT and Ramp went to binding arbitration. And by the way, I remember the TWAers screaming DOH until the very end. So yes, they were looking for a windfall.

 

[aafsc]

Obviously the AA employees have a problem they just won't shut up about this merger.

[post="273716"][/post]​

I could care less about this merger between HP/US. Or is it that you don't like the fact that you are in the position the TWAers were in and the HP people are in the position AA employees were in. Therefore you will agree with the TWAers and despise the AA people. Or is it you don't like the fact we are sharing our experiences/problems with AA/TW. And as I stated before, an ex-TWA employee started this thread, not an AA one.

 

[Light Years]

I could care less about this merger between HP/US. Or is it that you don't like the fact that you are in the position the TWAers were in and the HP people are in the position AA employees were in. Therefore you will agree with the TWAers and despise the AA people. Or is it you don't like the fact we are sharing our experiences/problems with AA/TW. And as I stated before, an ex-TWA employee started this thread, not an AA one.

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:blink: It's not the same situation as AA/TWA at all.

Both F/A groups had differing unions. TWA F/As had also given up protections from thier contract. TWA was also alot smaller than AA.

US and HP are both represented by AFA, who has a straight DOH policy, which means both carriers F/As advocate DOH (or did until a week ago).

As for your experiences, no one cares. Seriously. Be a share bear elsewhere. We know exactly how your thing went down. Really. Since you could care less (do you mean Couldn't?) about this merger, then why not stop with your drivel?

When and if you can produce evidence that the integration of HP and US F/As will be done any other way than DOH, then come back with your irrelevant ranting and raving. 🙄

 

[aafsc]

:blink: It's not the same situation as AA/TWA at all.

Both F/A groups had differing unions. TWA F/As had also given up protections from thier contract. TWA was also alot smaller than AA.

US and HP are both represented by AFA, who has a straight DOH policy, which means both carriers F/As advocate DOH (or did until a week ago).

As for your experiences, no one cares. Seriously. Be a share bear elsewhere. We know exactly how your thing went down. Really. Since you could care less (do you mean Couldn't?) about this merger, then why not stop with your drivel?

When and if you can produce evidence that the integration of HP and US F/As will be done any other way than DOH, then come back with your irrelevant ranting and raving. 🙄

[post="273740"][/post]​

1. Your first sentence regarding the unions is true.

2. Your second sentence is true. But it is similar to AA/TW in that one airline is on life support in bk with a very senior workforce and will die without a partner (HP and it's junior workforce)

3. I think the HP people will care.This is a free BB and I will post where I want and say what I want. If you don't like it you can go $crew yourself. And I will repeat, I am responding to a thread started by a TWAer. Funny, you have no problems with TWAers posting here. Why is that?

4. We will just have to wait and see what ultimately happens, won't we? Other bidders can emerge for assets(unlikely in my opinion), or maybe the government might not approve (again ulikely). Time will tell.

 

[Light Years]

1. Your first sentence regarding the unions is true.

2. Your second sentence is true. But it is similar to AA/TW in that one airline is on life support in bk with a very senior workforce and will die without a partner (HP and it's junior workforce)

3. I think the HP people will care.This is a free BB and I will post where I want and say what I want. If you don't like it you can go $crew yourself. And I will repeat, I am responding to a thread started by a TWAer. Funny, you have no problems with TWAers posting here. Why is that?

4. We will just have to wait and see what ultimately happens, won't we? Other bidders can emerge for assets(unlikely in my opinion), or maybe the government might not approve (again ulikely). Time will tell.

[post="273744"][/post]​

1. Thanks.

2. Mmmm... not really.

3. What is annoying is the flame baiting, trying to get people to fight for the old stapler. I've not seen any F/A aside from AA and UA ones even talk about it. If you want to try to talk our HP collegues into trying to take some sort of action to fight thier own union's national by-laws, why don't you preach at thier board, or speak with them personally? Otherwise, you are just being a wind-up artist.

As for screwing myself, I will masturbate when and where I want. I normally don't seek permission from anonomous internet people... but thanks for your interest in this aspect of my life (as well as my airline).

4. Please can we? I mean really, wait and see what happens? There's no reason for you to hope/wish/recommend bad things upon people. Wait and see if they happen or not, and then react however you see fit.

:groovy:

 

[TWskyliner]

I think I love you Light Years! You crack me up!

I hope you guys make it work and that the integration goes smoothly. Both of your airlines have been through the ringer. I've always believed that struggle makes you a more humble and compassionate human being.
Being the largest and most powerful mAAy do something for ones ego but doesnt do anything for the soul.