Nor'Easta
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- Mar 8, 2006
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Check your PM's
AA begins FA recalls
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jimntx
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Heard a juicy rumor from a friend at Frontier (who used to work for AA) that she heard from a friend of hers who is a BOS AA f/a who allegedly heard it from her FSM (Ok, is that remote enough to qualify as pure unadulterated gossip? 
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According to the BOS f/a, some of the recall slots had been reallocated to SLT. Anyone else heard this? I called our MOD desk at STL and was told (and I quote), "I was told by two different sources to say I don't know."
)According to the BOS f/a, some of the recall slots had been reallocated to SLT. Anyone else heard this? I called our MOD desk at STL and was told (and I quote), "I was told by two different sources to say I don't know."
Heard a juicy rumor from a friend at Frontier (who used to work for AA) that she heard from a friend of hers who is a BOS AA f/a who allegedly heard it from her FSM (Ok, is that remote enough to qualify as pure unadulterated gossip?
According to the BOS f/a, some of the recall slots had been reallocated to SLT. Anyone else heard this? I called our MOD desk at STL and was told (and I quote), "I was told by two different sources to say I don't know."
Jim -
To answer your question - yes. What you have posted is little more than galley gossip. As recent as today, the company and the union confirmed that recalled flight attendants will be offered assignment at LGA, BOS or DCA.
I suspect the "rumor" to be little more than an attempt at fear mongering. Somebody needs to step forward and fill this information vacuum. The only way to combat such a tactic is with facts.
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kirkpatrick
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Some numbers are now in. Of the 97 natives, 32 have accepted recall. Of the 103 exTWA (sorry, Nancy, but sometimes you just gotta separate the two groups) 52 have indicated they'll return.
The deadline isn't up for a day or two but you can assume most would be eager to get their preferences in, so I don't think the final numbers will vary much. I also suspect one or two will no-show training and maybe one or two will leave training for whatever reason after a few days or so.
So I think we can safely figure on an acceptance rate of 50-55% for any subsequent recalls, more as the recallees get more and more junior.
MK
jimntx
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MK, there is also the issue that everyone has to pass the physical. I know that in my recall there were some who did not.
However, let me say that I was hoping for a higher acceptance rate than what seems to be indicated. It wouldn't matter if, like other airlines, AA returned to the recall list to call someone else if a rcallee refused/did not respond.
However, let me say that I was hoping for a higher acceptance rate than what seems to be indicated. It wouldn't matter if, like other airlines, AA returned to the recall list to call someone else if a rcallee refused/did not respond.
Wow. I wonder if 84 was significantly lower than what they really wanted or right on the money.
You seem to have some insider knowledge. Do you know how many they really anticipated a need for?
jimntx
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According to my "sources", historically AA has expected a 10% refusal/no response to furloughee recalls. So, if they needed 100 f/as, they sent recall notices to 110.
However, since 9/11, the refusal rate has been higher. IIRC, the refusal rate in my recall (Nov. 2004) was something like 25% or 26%. They recalled something over 650, but only 495 returned. Since then approx. 32-45% of those have quit/gotten fired/transferred out of Flight Service.
I heard at the time that 25% refusal was what they were expecting. If the same ratio was used this time, then they needed approx. 150 f/as. However, I heard recently that they needed approx. 100 f/as and were expecting a refusal rate of 50% or better. Who knows?
However, since 9/11, the refusal rate has been higher. IIRC, the refusal rate in my recall (Nov. 2004) was something like 25% or 26%. They recalled something over 650, but only 495 returned. Since then approx. 32-45% of those have quit/gotten fired/transferred out of Flight Service.
I heard at the time that 25% refusal was what they were expecting. If the same ratio was used this time, then they needed approx. 150 f/as. However, I heard recently that they needed approx. 100 f/as and were expecting a refusal rate of 50% or better. Who knows?
kirkpatrick
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A number of factors affect acceptance/rejection rates on recalls. The 10% refusal rate mentioned is the same as that at TWA thirty years ago, when a furlough was just for a couple of winter months. Things are different now; we've been out almost four years and we're far older than the twenty-somethings making the decisions in the seventies.
In a selfish way, the lower acceptance rate is good for those of us awaiting recall. The important thing is that each has the opportunity to make his own decision; as long as that is so I have no qualms about hoping many won't come back.
MK
In a selfish way, the lower acceptance rate is good for those of us awaiting recall. The important thing is that each has the opportunity to make his own decision; as long as that is so I have no qualms about hoping many won't come back.
MK
jersey777
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- May 24, 2006
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Where did you see that THB said AA only wanted 75 people to take the recall? Was it on the hotline tape or press release or did you speak with her?
kirkpatrick
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It's been widely reported that the company expected about that number, but I haven't seen it verified anywhere. It makes sense, however, given the length of the furlough and the demographics of those recalled. I also think it's safe to assume one or two won't pass medical or the background check, one or two won't show up at training, and one or two will drop out of training after a couple of days or weeks, so the actual number going on line on July 24 will probably be close to 75.
What I don't believe is that 75 will come anywhere close to alleviating any manpower shortage. Going back to the first recall since the big furlough on 7/2/03, AA called back 390 on 12/2/03, another 233 the summer of 2004 (remember - they absorbed over 1300 OVL's back into the system at the same time) and 610 more just before Thanksgiving in 2004. I would expect larger numbers this time as well.
MK
Just curious as to where the actual acceptances numbers are available?
