Tulsa to do 104 more sets of 757 winglets

[MCI transplant]

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PTO is STILL a SCAB BAST*RD !!!!!!!!!

<_< ----- Bear! Take it easy Tonto! Your normally the cool one here! We all know what PTO is!

 

[MiAAmi]

<_< ----- Bear! Take it easy Tonto! Your normally the cool one here! We all know what PTO is!

Agreed.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Just a quick question - anybody have a ballpark figure fot the cost of the kit plus installation? Rumors are starting to float around that US might put some on our ETOPS 757's and I just wondered.

Thanks,

Jim

 

[Bob Owens]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060719/sfw087.html?.v=65

This is good news. Although the perpetually disgruntled can probably spin it as bad news.

You got it. The costs will show up as maintenace costs but the fuel savings will be credited to ops.

So when the company comes out with their numbers they will claim, and the TWU will agree, that maintenace is not making the same savings contributions as other departments and they need more from us.

 

[AMFAMAN]

You got it. The costs will show up as maintenace costs but the fuel savings will be credited to ops.

But for the great $500 million in Tulsa, I am told that the fuel savings from the winglets are what's driving the number up.

 

[Bob Owens]

But for the great $500 million in Tulsa, I am told that the fuel savings from the winglets are what's driving the number up.

Sure but who says they will only use the numbers once?

So they can claim that they reached their goal of $500 million in savings at Tulsa, therefore scoring a PR coup, but then also claim that "actual overall maintenace costs" are dissapointingly high,this time leaving out the credit for projected fuel savings from the maintenance figures, it certainly would not be the first time that AA and the TWU have been dishonest and misleading with numbers towards its workers, like in 2003 when they said they "lost $3.5 billion " and needed all those concessions or they would be forced to go BK.

 

[Nor'Easta]

...does AA use the abandoned DL hanger in DFW or is it vacant? Just curious.

Do the winglets allow these 757's to cross the Atlantic? I know the TWA ones they're getting rid of could w/o the winglets, but I thought the AA ones didn't have the range? Could be interesting if AA could increase their transat presense via this addition...

UPS has put a bid in for the hanger.

 

[eolesen]

You got it. The costs will show up as maintenace costs but the fuel savings will be credited to ops.

Ah, the Bluebeard of Nastiness speaks...

The bottom line is the bottom line, Bob. If spending the money on the kits and the salary dollars means a long term savings for AMR, then it's really a moot point where the fuel savings show up and where the costs associated with it show up.

AA.Com is an expense line for ITS, but generates money which is credited to Marketing. Do you really think that someone looks at Monte Ford's budget and says he's unprofitable, and thinks that Bella Goren is the best thing since Bistro Bags?....

 

[lpbrian]

Just a quick question - anybody have a ballpark figure fot the cost of the kit plus installation? Rumors are starting to float around that US might put some on our ETOPS 757's and I just wondered.

Thanks,

Jim

$725,000 to $1.8 million per shipset, depending on the A/C. Installation is typically done on a heavy check. Saves about 300,000 gallons per year.