robbedagain
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notice how "quiet" it has been from.... well I don't really want to spoil the fun Just enjoying the peace before the storm B)
AA applies for Delta's Seattle-Haneda slot
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jimntx
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No posts in almost 30 hours? Should we start checking hospitals, jails, and mortuaries?
WorldTraveler
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I'm actually world traveling and close to major world events.
I do have to laugh at how my presence on this forum is so closely tracked by those who can't stand that I dominate it.
the reason why AA is getting cute and aggressive with its HND route application is solely because it is trying to make its 3rd attempt at HND work - after the JFK award and the failed attempt to move the route to LAX.
remember that some of the very people that are arguing about DL failing at HND are the same ones who have argued that DL would lose access to DAL- and DL is not only still there but DAL is taking DL's claims about access far more seriously than people here thought they would.
I still believe that DL will push the legality of the DOT's threats to move the route given that there is no legal precedent for the DOT doing that with other dormant authorities - including to/from China and Brazil.
The DOT is likely posturing to force DL to add flights - but the route goes back to daily service in a couple months anyway.... and with every route, the cost goes down because of the drop in fuel prices.
And if DL does lose the SEA-HND route, it will likely be added to the aircraft that DL will use for new service from MIA, including to Latin America, again where the economics of startup routes for DL are just as good as they are for AA across the Pacific.
and the fact that AA intends to cancel its route from LAX-NRT probably will be key in the DOT's decision that AA really isn't adding any new service at all... which makes a mockery out of their charges against DL.
I do have to laugh at how my presence on this forum is so closely tracked by those who can't stand that I dominate it.
the reason why AA is getting cute and aggressive with its HND route application is solely because it is trying to make its 3rd attempt at HND work - after the JFK award and the failed attempt to move the route to LAX.
remember that some of the very people that are arguing about DL failing at HND are the same ones who have argued that DL would lose access to DAL- and DL is not only still there but DAL is taking DL's claims about access far more seriously than people here thought they would.
I still believe that DL will push the legality of the DOT's threats to move the route given that there is no legal precedent for the DOT doing that with other dormant authorities - including to/from China and Brazil.
The DOT is likely posturing to force DL to add flights - but the route goes back to daily service in a couple months anyway.... and with every route, the cost goes down because of the drop in fuel prices.
And if DL does lose the SEA-HND route, it will likely be added to the aircraft that DL will use for new service from MIA, including to Latin America, again where the economics of startup routes for DL are just as good as they are for AA across the Pacific.
and the fact that AA intends to cancel its route from LAX-NRT probably will be key in the DOT's decision that AA really isn't adding any new service at all... which makes a mockery out of their charges against DL.
WorldTraveler said:
It is service to an extremely limited market HND, of which there are only 4 route authorities allocated to US airlines. And DL sitting on effectively 1.5, and UA/HA holding 1 each, means that effectively only 12.5% of the maximum number of slots are not in use.
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So you admit to being a troll on this forum.WorldTraveler said:
does this plane go to paris
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"I'm actually world traveling and close to major world events."
Here are my guesses.
1. He's in Jakarta telling the Indonesian Government how to search for the lost AirAsia Flight.
2. He's in West Africa explaining how Delta will do extremely well with the Ebola scare since the CDC is located in ATL.
3. He's trying to meet with Putin in the Crimea region to set up oil deals for Delta's oil refinery.
4. He''s in Oslo demanding to speak to the Nobel Prize Committee wanting to know why his AirlineForum postings didn't win the Nobel Prize in Literature.
5. He's flying around the world on a stand by basis eating wonderful coach meals served on Delta plates and reviewing them Bon Appetite Magazine.
Here are my guesses.
1. He's in Jakarta telling the Indonesian Government how to search for the lost AirAsia Flight.
2. He's in West Africa explaining how Delta will do extremely well with the Ebola scare since the CDC is located in ATL.
3. He's trying to meet with Putin in the Crimea region to set up oil deals for Delta's oil refinery.
4. He''s in Oslo demanding to speak to the Nobel Prize Committee wanting to know why his AirlineForum postings didn't win the Nobel Prize in Literature.
5. He's flying around the world on a stand by basis eating wonderful coach meals served on Delta plates and reviewing them Bon Appetite Magazine.
I don't predict that AA will get the frequency, but if DL was a lock to keep it, then I doubt the DOT would go thru the motions of a new route selection proceeding.
I get why HA wants the frequency, but awarding it to an airline that primarily carries vacationing Japanese beach tourists makes a mockery of the premise of opening Haneda to long-haul flights: Everyone assumes that HND is the preferred airport for business travelers. If that's true, then those scarce frequencies should be awarded to airlines that fly business travelers between the USA mainland and Japan (and vv), rather than catering to Japanese tourists (no matter how much money they spend in Hawai'i on vacation).
As for the schoolyard taunt, "if DL loses, then expect to see these 767s used from MIA in its quest to crush AA's MIA-Latin America machine," I have to say - Who gives a flying &@#$? I'm no apologist for Parker and Kirby - I believe that they're no different from all the other bastard executives that labour groups despise - but I'm certain that Parker and Kirby aren't scared in the least that their application to fly LAX-HND might free up a couple of 767s at Delta.
I get why HA wants the frequency, but awarding it to an airline that primarily carries vacationing Japanese beach tourists makes a mockery of the premise of opening Haneda to long-haul flights: Everyone assumes that HND is the preferred airport for business travelers. If that's true, then those scarce frequencies should be awarded to airlines that fly business travelers between the USA mainland and Japan (and vv), rather than catering to Japanese tourists (no matter how much money they spend in Hawai'i on vacation).
As for the schoolyard taunt, "if DL loses, then expect to see these 767s used from MIA in its quest to crush AA's MIA-Latin America machine," I have to say - Who gives a flying &@#$? I'm no apologist for Parker and Kirby - I believe that they're no different from all the other bastard executives that labour groups despise - but I'm certain that Parker and Kirby aren't scared in the least that their application to fly LAX-HND might free up a couple of 767s at Delta.
Kev3188
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+1eolesen said:
Nice to see something resembling actual discussions again. Also nice to see a few people returning to post again...
For those that might want to site forum activity, give me quality over quantity any day...
As for the topic, I have to say that I found the language in AA's proposal refreshing.
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again, I have won the debate given that a half dozen or more make comments about my absence on here and then focus on me, and not the topic - or throw in a comment about me while trying to 'get back to the topic'
nobody else is the focus of how their off forum time is spent.
I'm on the throne, I'm grateful to you all for paying homage to my reign, and I have no intention of yielding my throne to anyone, esp. those who can't really compete in the free market of ideas so want to eliminate their competitors in conversation.
sounds a whole lot like something in the headlines right about now.
your last paragraph is priceless after the endless posts about AA's dominance and exclusion of other carriers from LAX.
And DL will undoubtedly develop MIA-Latin America. It is hard to believe that AA can believe it is strategically important for AA to fly from the west coast to Asia and lose hundreds of millions of dollars while doing so but DL isn't supposed to start any routes to Latin America from MIA even though MIA is a dominated gateway and DL's track record of making strategically important routes like LHR work is very strong.
so, yeah, DL will very likely fight to hold onto its SEA-HND route while noting that AA is not adding anything but simply transferring from one Tokyo airport that it can't make work.
and then connected or not, DL will expand its presence in key industry markets whether AA is in them or not.
nobody else is the focus of how their off forum time is spent.
I'm on the throne, I'm grateful to you all for paying homage to my reign, and I have no intention of yielding my throne to anyone, esp. those who can't really compete in the free market of ideas so want to eliminate their competitors in conversation.
sounds a whole lot like something in the headlines right about now.
your last paragraph is priceless after the endless posts about AA's dominance and exclusion of other carriers from LAX.
And DL will undoubtedly develop MIA-Latin America. It is hard to believe that AA can believe it is strategically important for AA to fly from the west coast to Asia and lose hundreds of millions of dollars while doing so but DL isn't supposed to start any routes to Latin America from MIA even though MIA is a dominated gateway and DL's track record of making strategically important routes like LHR work is very strong.
so, yeah, DL will very likely fight to hold onto its SEA-HND route while noting that AA is not adding anything but simply transferring from one Tokyo airport that it can't make work.
and then connected or not, DL will expand its presence in key industry markets whether AA is in them or not.
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