AA applies for Delta's Seattle-Haneda slot

[jimntx]

Dullta, Dullta uber Alles  (Sound on.  Click below.  On the downbeat, sing along)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLHGTJjHXLo

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, just profitable flying the Pacific and successful at least so far in its strategies to restructure its Tokyo operation in light of the devalued yen.

ps.... my honest guess is that AA will eventually have the same success in restructuring its Latin operations in light of the much stronger dollar

 

[FWAAA]

DL, AA and HA filed their answers/rebuttals on Monday:

DL: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2010-0018-0406

AA: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2010-0018-0405

HA: http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2010-0018-0408

Click on the links and you can download the .pdf filings. Interesting reading.

Sorry about the links. I've edited them a couple of times and I can't get the board software to recognize them as links. Cut and paste the urls into your browser.

 

[dfw gen]

Maybe all the employees that are too far across the board for tge 4% raise Should call and voice opinions against any new routes. I mean its not like we haven't sacrificed enough why should we take on any more then what we are appreciated for already?

 

[dfw gen]

Its not like we will ever see any benefit our contracts typically take years to negotiate the company clearly shows its sense of good will.

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL is doing its part to help you out in this route case.


DL hit hard in its response that AA has distorted the claims of LAX-Tokyo being underserved, that AA did not formally try to move its own JFK-HND route, and that it dropped JFK-NRT only to later drop JFK-HND as well.
DL also noted that every indication is that AA has no intention of operating both its existing LAX-NRT flight as well as LAX-HND.

DL also noted that AA did not operate its own JFK-HND flight for many months on and off before it terminated the route.

given how low AA's LAX-NRT revenue is relative to DL and UA, it is KNOWN that AA is losing hundreds of millions of dollars serving Asia from LAX and ORD. the notion that AA can turn that around flying from LAX-HND, just like the highly competitive NYC market which AA abandoned on its own metal, DL says the DOT should consider AA's request to move the SEA gateway as a very poorly executed attempt by an airline that has done an abysmal job on the Pacific for years. and shows no signs of turning that around.

 

[AANOTOK]

DL is doing its part to help you out in this route case.


DL hit hard in its response that AA has distorted the claims of LAX-Tokyo being underserved, that AA did not formally try to move its own JFK-HND route, and that it dropped JFK-NRT only to later drop JFK-HND as well.
DL also noted that every indication is that AA has no intention of operating both its existing LAX-NRT flight as well as LAX-HND.

DL also noted that AA did not operate its own JFK-HND flight for many months on and off before it terminated the route.

given how low AA's LAX-NRT revenue is relative to DL and UA, it is KNOWN that AA is losing hundreds of millions of dollars serving Asia from LAX and ORD. the notion that AA can turn that around flying from LAX-HND, just like the highly competitive NYC market which AA abandoned on its own metal, DL says the DOT should consider AA's request to move the SEA gateway as a very poorly executed attempt by an airline that has done an abysmal job on the Pacific for years. and shows no signs of turning that around.

You feel better? Lay back and have a cigarette now!

 

[eolesen]

DL pretty much gave DOT the finger in their response:

Delta reiterates that it does not concede the lawfulness of the Department’s decision to reexamine the allocation of the Seattle-Haneda frequencies or of any final decision to reallocate the same slots to another carrier..... Order 2014-12-9 is arbitrary and capricious and contrary to law, and any final decision by the Department to reallocate the slots would be unlawful for the same reasons.

Dumb. Really dumb.

I also wasn't aware that HA's application depends on re-establishing a FIS at Kona.

 

[commavia]

DL pretty much gave DOT the finger in their response:

 
And the DOT pretty much gave Delta the finger right back.  Denied:
 

 
As indicated in Order 2014-12-9, the Department has determined that, in light of Delta’s extensive winter-season cutbacks, and the submissions filed on the record in this case, the public interest requires a fresh examination of whether the best use of the Seattle-Haneda opportunity is to allow Delta to retain its underlying authority to operate the slot pair for Seattle-Haneda service, or whether the public interest would be better served by reallocating the slot pair for service from another U.S. city by another U.S. carrier or by Delta. Delta has presented no information that would lead the Department to alter that conclusion.
 
The Department has instituted this proceeding under its general powers to review the public interest bases of current awards. The Department believes that procedures established in Order 2014-12-9, will provide Delta, as well as any other interested carriers, ample opportunity to argue its position and present any evidence it may wish to present.

 
I smell another Delta lawsuit!

 

[IORFA]

AA may just get this. Now it's time for LAX-PEK before the authorities are all gone.

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, the DOT's response was not to DL's response.

the DOT OPENED the route case based on its assumption. It has said nothing since the opening of the route case.

AA execs also said that DAL was for low fare carriers. Good thing DL proved them wrong.

AA will get a new competitor on LAX-PVG (one that doesn't put 10 seats abreast on a 777) and actually operates a reliable schedule. AA's days on LAX-PVG are numbered - or the size of the subsidies for their Asian operations from employees salaries will only escalate dramatically.

 

[700UW]

What does DAL have to do with LAX to HND route?

 

[Hope777]

Yup DL Floods a Market adding excess capacity and its a good move..... 

 

[700UW]

no, the DOT's response was not to DL's response.

the DOT OPENED the route case based on its assumption. It has said nothing since the opening of the route case.

AA execs also said that DAL was for low fare carriers. Good thing DL proved them wrong.

AA will get a new competitor on LAX-PVG (one that doesn't put 10 seats abreast on a 777) and actually operates a reliable schedule. AA's days on LAX-PVG are numbered - or the size of the subsidies for their Asian operations from employees salaries will only escalate dramatically.

Sure about that?
 
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2015/01/dot-denies-deltas-request-to-abandon-the-haneda-route-proceeding.html/

 

The U.S. Department of Transportation is standing by its decision to review whether to take a Tokyo Haneda route away from Delta Air Lines and give it to another airline.
 
In a decision Thursday, DOT granted Delta’s request that DOT reconsider its decision to start a Haneda route case. Upon reconsideration, DOT said it is going forward.
 
 

 

[commavia]

Yup DL Floods a Market adding excess capacity and its a good move..... 

 
The double standard is, indeed, laughable.  Some are still stuck in the myopia that Delta is on the only airline that can come in and create financial challenges for competitors.  In this case, AA has been operating LAX-PVG now for several years, and Delta merely applies for authority and AA's days are numbered.  It would be completely hysterical if it weren't so detached from reality.