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not employee payroll deductionAnd the employees at US using the Ideas that Fly program bought US' first brand new 757 610AU.
Didn't AA have a plane back in the late 1990s that was supposedly paid for with IdeAAs in Action suggestions?
Either way - let us not deviate from the actual topic, which isn't how motivated Delta employees are to donate money to pay for a plane, but rather the fact that AA has convinced the DOT to examine whether or not Delta is worthy of keeping its route authority to fly between SEA and HND, and despite the protestations of Delta and its cheerleaders that such a proceeding is improper if not illegal, the DOT has essentially told Delta to quiet down.
you and others have been waiting for the same meltdown when DL was kicked out of DAL but it hasn't happened.Once the DOT awards the route to AA, I'll have to take WT off ignore just read the epic melt that will transpire here.
But I have to agree with E, the board is much more readable without a certain poster.
can I see the story? employee payroll deductions?just a side note yes WT the employees at TWA did buy that MD80 aircraft hint the message on the fuselage.....
The plane is a DC-3, and it is currently sitting in the middle of the main floor of the C.R. Smith Museum at the Flight Academy at DFW. So, it seems there are at least 2 other airline employee groups that have stepped up to the plate other than Dullta employees. I think that makes WT wrong again.commavia said:Didn't AA have a plane back in the late 1990s that was supposedly paid for with IdeAAs in Action suggestions?
Either way - let us not deviate from the actual topic, which isn't how motivated Delta employees are to donate money to pay for a plane, but rather the fact that AA has convinced the DOT to examine whether or not Delta is worthy of keeping its route authority to fly between SEA and HND, and despite the protestations of Delta and its cheerleaders that such a proceeding is improper if not illegal, the DOT has essentially told Delta to quiet down.
because employee cost saving suggestions cost the employee nothing.Why is "payroll deduction" essentially any different than "paid for by employees"?
Were you even born when they bought the plane?WorldTraveler said:again, an aircraft paid for by employee ideas is NOT the same thing as one bought by employee payroll deductions.
I have yet to see any evidence that any other airline has been GIVEN an aircraft by the DIRECT donations of its employees.
I'm still waiting.
feel free to toss anything in about revenue performance on the Pacific. Regardless of the measurement or route, AA will come up short compared to DL or UA.
btw, I know you AA fankids have a hard week finding out that you are going to have to compete with DL on LAX-PVG but you should know that DL is now at 55% of AA's size in Latin America while AA is only 39% of DL's size to Asia.
UA has also been growing to Latin America and is slightly larger than DL.... so AA now has TWO of its most direct competitors with operations that are more than half the size of AA's in Latin America.
and even more shocking is that AA is only 70% of DL's size across the Atlantic - all based on December traffic results. DL's entire int'l route system is 15% larger than AA's. UA manages to come I larger than DL to the Pacific but smaller than DL across the Atlantic and domestically - all of which have been the case.
congrats. AA built a huge domestic airline. They are still the 3rd largest int'l US airline, across the Atlantic, and across the Pacific. Their lead in Latin America is falling by the day.
Fantastic! I loved it when that plane would show at my station...ThirdSeatHero said:While I'm not exactly sure what happened with the US 757, TWA employees, in 1994, did indeed finance an MD-80 known as "Wings of Pride" with "voluntary" contributions.
Further, late last year, a group known as Tristar acquired the aircraft from AA and not only plans on restoring it, but making it operational.
http://tristarhistory.org/tristar-accepts-delivery-original-twa-wings-pride/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftristarhistory.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F09%2FTriStar-Wings-of-Pride-Legacy-Fundraiser1.pdf&ei=pu26VPmfOsjisAT74YCYDw&usg=AFQjCNEJJr5SjARgncWLbqfHBbOlOC838Q&bvm=bv.83829542,d.cWc
That Gentlemen is NICE!
I'm still not sure of the mechanism that TW employees used to acquire the aircraft but they did in fact own sizable portions of the company as a result of their concessions.While I'm not exactly sure what happened with the US 757, TWA employees, in 1994, did indeed finance an MD-80 known as "Wings of Pride" with "voluntary" contributions.
Further, late last year, a group known as Tristar acquired the aircraft from AA and not only plans on restoring it, but making it operational.
http://tristarhistory.org/tristar-accepts-delivery-original-twa-wings-pride/
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCYQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Ftristarhistory.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F09%2FTriStar-Wings-of-Pride-Legacy-Fundraiser1.pdf&ei=pu26VPmfOsjisAT74YCYDw&usg=AFQjCNEJJr5SjARgncWLbqfHBbOlOC838Q&bvm=bv.83829542,d.cWc
That Gentlemen is NICE!
Were you even born when they bought the plane?
and even if finances are not a factor, your statement is accurate that AA likely won't win the route award - at least you will admit it - because AA's own service pattern at HND is flawed and AA cannot provide anything of any greater public benefit than what DL and NH are already providing on LAX-HND today. further, there is every evidence that AA will suspend LAX-NRT if it wins LAX-HND so there really is no increased public benefit.AA's historic losses across the Pacific won't be a factor considered by the DOT in its decision to award the SEA-HND frequency. I don't predict that AA will get the frequency, but the shrill claims about AA's operations in the Atlantic and Latin America regions are also irrelevant. All that matters is the public benefit, and competition between airlines, even competition that results in further losses, is generally perceived by the DOT as beneficial to the public.