AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[CremaDiLimone]

But the PA isn't that creative in letting us park in the short term lots unless you pay. $$$$$. The PA needs money too.

ok, full buses here for awhile...aa didn't do the united 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off...only a handful took a voluntary leave

as a result - the city, the airlines and ground handling companies reached a deal to alleviate the amount of employees on all buses bringing them to work.

temporary free parking right across the street in the city pay lots.

maybe if the port authority took a look around , they'd see a lot less cars in their pay lots.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

I believe there is some truth to his statement. Will it turn out to be the hail Mary pass they hope it will be.?? They tried everything else

there's other plays being developed in the blue huddle as we speak.

 

[CremaDiLimone]

And the media stories are already complaining about it how is it that anyone can social distancing with full planes.
We are all doomed

watched some late tv the other night - CNN had a quick story on how trump could possibly infect our last remaining ww11 vets then had spike lee on, complaining about disparities in treatment.

ok, i get it. you guys don't like trump. listen to us..stay home.

i watched some FOX and they were talking about opening up different state economies.

the dr. who flew united to california. i guess he thought he was the only person who needed to get to california and was outraged that others wanted to also get to california.

luckily, he had his cell phone with to get some attention that the CNN world loves.

 

[T5towbar]

ok, full buses here for awhile...aa didn't do the united 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off...only a handful took a voluntary leave

as a result - the city, the airlines and ground handling companies reached a deal to alleviate the amount of employees on all buses bringing them to work.

temporary free parking right across the street in the city pay lots.

maybe if the port authority took a look around , they'd see a lot less cars in their pay lots.

I think the rest of the hubs have the A Team and B Team schedule - 1 week on, 1 week off. I think that is how it working elsewhere, since they have more flights than we do. We and LGA has the 3 days on - 4 days off (with two paid off "Core 4" days. These will end by the end of the month when flight activity increases.

 

[T5towbar]

watched some late tv the other night - CNN had a quick story on how trump could possibly infect our last remaining ww11 vets then had spike lee on, complaining about disparities in treatment.

ok, i get it. you guys don't like trump. listen to us..stay home.

i watched some FOX and they were talking about opening up different state economies.

the dr. who flew united to california. i guess he thought he was the only person who needed to get to california and was outraged that others wanted to also get to california.

luckily, he had his cell phone with to get some attention that the CNN world loves.

I wrote more about the details about this flight to SFO on the UA thread. I was there.

 

[swamt]

And, as was noted on another thread, how is Delta or any other airline supposed to survive with these restricted load factors?

At AA such load factors would mean that on a 737(800), the company workhorse until the MAX receives its wings, at least 6 F/C seats, 18 Main cabin Extra seats, and 46 coach seats will be empty on every flight. Anyone believe that can be maintained? Especially since it's already been noted on another thread that some passengers are already writing complaint letters about the "packed" airplanes and no compliance to social distancing requirements.

I think I posted in another thread as well. I have no clue about other airlines, but SWA can still make a profit at somewhere between 50-66% full. Not saying this holds true now that flights have been cut back so much. SWA and AA just announced adding some international flights back in the air, so it will be interesting to see how those go.
jim, our 800's are the new work horse too, but with our cabin seating 175, so with middle seats left open would leave approx. 100 seats IF all full, equally approx a 57-58% full. AND that's if they are leaving the isle seats. But if they are doing the every other isle seats it gets way under the 50% and yes, none of the airlines could survive that at an extended period of time. Our CEO has stated we have enough money to carry us as is for a year. That does not mean we will not get leaner come Oct. It still could happen so to try to start making money again, and have the employees return as the demand picks up but I assume it will be a slow return, say over years. maybe 3-5 my guess. Good luck to all of us. I hope all of you have been packing away some cash it may get tighter come Oct.

 

[eolesen]

WN can likely make a profit on lower load factors than AA or other network airlines under normal conditions where every airplane and employee is being productive.

With airplanes in storage, employees sitting at home (or in the break room for hours at a time) while still being paid and getting full benefits, even WN's break-even load factor shoots up into the 80%'s if not higher.

 

[swamt]

My second sentence above indicated as such.

 

[1AA]

Finally the master integrated seniority lists are out. Go to jetnet.

https://people.aa.com/sm/reports/twuiam_seniority

 

[paul1]

ok approx. how many aircraft mech. at swa delta united JetBlue and Alaska Thank You

 

[ALUS78]

Finally the master integrated seniority lists are out. Go to jetnet.

https://people.aa.com/sm/reports/twuiam_seniority

Isn't it fitting, the new list is out and I can tell you at LGA on just the IAM Fleet side alone at least 6 people with seniority of 50+ years to 30 years that took the buy out are included

 

[dfw gen]

Isn't it fitting, the new list is out and I can tell you at LGA on just the IAM Fleet side alone at least 6 people with seniority of 50+ years to 30 years that took the buy out are included

my understanding is that if you took the early out you are actually are on a leave of absence for one year then you technically retire. that would explain remaining on the seniority list

 

[swamt]

ok approx. how many aircraft mech. at swa delta united JetBlue and Alaska Thank You

paul, 2685 as of May 8th 2020 at Southwest for mechanics.

 

[mike757]

Some folks elected to take lump-sum and would be off payroll sooner

 

[Paul Too]

It is my understanding that if there is a C19 designation by an employee's job title, that employee either retired or has taken a leave.