AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

[iluvaa]

Exactly. A 60% load factor adjusted to reflect last year's capacity is probably going to work out to anywhere between 5-30% depending on how deep the cuts at your station were...

The 4 flights that left Tulsa today had an average of 20 guests

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Personally i would be ok with semi retirement at 20 hours a week. Be a little tight but ill survive

How is that dropping the ball?

For some people, transitioning to PT (or semi-retirement) would be a great option.

It's a great option when you can do it comfortably.

It's dropping the ball when "it's a little tight but you'll survive".

You cant fix stupid.

Was that directed at me or Kev3188.

Why should you be financially impacted just to save someone else's job? You need to look out for you and your family.




You said this.

seriously after 9/11 and for quite a while i personally was of the opinion that i would take a little less so someone else could stay employed i.e. less hours or less pay. all the old guys said the same thing it never works out, they take it and layoff anyway. time has proven them correct, like the last 15 years. ESPECIALLY the fiasco of the last 5 years in negotiations. anything we give them will be pissed away and taken for granted. there is no way i will "share the pain to share the gain" fu*k them.

Then said this.

Personally i would be ok with semi retirement at 20 hours a week. Be a little tight but ill survive

Those are contrary statements. Which is it?

 

[ALUS78]

I'm not looking at bookings or flights from a year ago we might not see those numbers for years.Im looking at 4 weeks ago when we were boarding 30,000 passengers a day tomorrow the number is approaching 80,000. Just taking it a day at a time and hoping I also realize the situation is dire.As I said before the country is in lock down there is nothing to fly to

Okay Thursday bookings 80,000 friday so far 90,000 its mothers day weekend there is something to fly to. 90,000 passengers booked on AA friday 6 weeks ago TSA reported 80, 000 passenger total on all airlines for the day. Again the situation is dire but I'm taking it a day at a time

 

[CremaDiLimone]

And the first quarter losses were realistically only late February and March. January basically wasn't affected. BUCKLE UP.

they also took a 1st quarter hit on aircraft retirements.

 

[jimntx]

Considering the ease with which Covid-19 moves from person to person (infects others), I'm not sure I would want to visit a family member who has sheltered in and is safe. Both my parents have died 10 or more years ago; so, it's not really an issue for me, but I have a new grand-nephew who was born 2 weeks ago. Even though I've sheltered in for over 2 weeks and I have no symptoms, and I haven't been in the company of anyone (in the last 2 weeks) who has been found to be infected (that I know of), I would not under any circumstances go to meet my grand-nephew at this time.

Think of all the places I would have to go into/through and people I would have to encounter that I would just have to trust were not infected with the virus--cab to the airport, airport terminal its self, the airplane, the baggage claim, cab driver, baggage check personnel, ticket counter agent (no longer a company employee BTW), the gate agents, the flight attendants, the other passengers and on and on). Having the proud grandfather, aka my younger brother, send me daily photographs is the preferred solution.

 

[V.O. Reason]

Considering the ease with which Covid-19 moves from person to person (infects others), I'm not sure I would want to visit a family member who has sheltered in and is safe. Both my parents have died 10 or more years ago; so, it's not really an issue for me, but I have a new grand-nephew who was born 2 weeks ago. Even though I've sheltered in for over 2 weeks and I have no symptoms, and I haven't been in the company of anyone (in the last 2 weeks) who has been found to be infected (that I know of), I would not under any circumstances go to meet my grand-nephew at this time.

Think of all the places I would have to go into/through and people I would have to encounter that I would just have to trust were not infected with the virus--cab to the airport, airport terminal its self, the airplane, the baggage claim, cab driver, baggage check personnel, ticket counter agent (no longer a company employee BTW), the gate agents, the flight attendants, the other passengers and on and on). Having the proud grandfather, aka my younger brother, send me daily photographs is the preferred solution.

So just go ahead and live your life in fear. So I guess your one who thinks we must stay sheltered till there is an unproven vaccine
Even the flu vaccine isn’t perfect.
People need to get out work and herd immunity is what is needed.
Sure protect the vulnerable but live your life

 

[Kev3188]

Considering the ease with which Covid-19 moves from person to person (infects others), I'm not sure I would want to visit a family member who has sheltered in and is safe. Both my parents have died 10 or more years ago; so, it's not really an issue for me, but I have a new grand-nephew who was born 2 weeks ago. Even though I've sheltered in for over 2 weeks and I have no symptoms, and I haven't been in the company of anyone (in the last 2 weeks) who has been found to be infected (that I know of), I would not under any circumstances go to meet my grand-nephew at this time.

I was thinking about flying home to see my parents, but they're high risk, so I have to wait as well.

This too shall pass. You'll meet your new grand-nephew before you know it!

 

[eolesen]

60% LF on what percent of normal capacity?

Cranky just answered the question at a system level. For June, AA will be flying about 35% of its 2019 schedule. So 60% is really ~22% year over year.

AA's cuts are 65%. DL and UA are closer to 80%, but that's probably because they have more hot-zone hubs (DTW/JFK/LGA/SEA and IAD/EWR/SFO/ORD) where AA is only really impacted at ORD/DCA.

 

[1986Mekanic]

So just go ahead and live your life in fear. So I guess your one who thinks we must stay sheltered till there is an unproven vaccine
Even the flu vaccine isn’t perfect.
People need to get out work and herd immunity is what is needed.
Sure protect the vulnerable but live your life

I'm guessing your family hasnt been personally impacted by the virus itself..

 

[we're screwed]

I'm guessing your family hasnt been personally impacted by the virus itself..

You're wasting your breath/keystrokes trying to convince someone to change their mind on the virus. It's like trying to convince someone your candidate is better, or convincing them that your religion is the right one.

 

[V.O. Reason]

I'm guessing your family hasnt been personally impacted by the virus itself..

Well other than my job could be in jeopardy, my dad being locked away in his assisted center, no I don’t personally know anyone that died or had the virus

 

[1986Mekanic]

Come talk to

Well other than my job could be in jeopardy, my dad being locked away in his assisted center, no I don’t personally know anyone that died or had the virus

Come talk to me after a loved one has gotten it and the whole series of cascading events that occur after.. which I hope none of which happens to you.

 

[jimntx]

I was thinking about flying home to see my parents, but they're high risk, so I have to wait as well.

This too shall pass. You'll meet your new grand-nephew before you know it!

Thanks for the reassurance. I needed that.

 

[robbedagain]

86Mek... I hope all is well. Ive had family members get it n about 73% of my coworkers gotten it. I wish no one here get that virus.

 

[ALUS78]

Considering the ease with which Covid-19 moves from person to person (infects others), I'm not sure I would want to visit a family member who has sheltered in and is safe. Both my parents have died 10 or more years ago; so, it's not really an issue for me, but I have a new grand-nephew who was born 2 weeks ago. Even though I've sheltered in for over 2 weeks and I have no symptoms, and I haven't been in the company of anyone (in the last 2 weeks) who has been found to be infected (that I know of), I would not under any circumstances go to meet my grand-nephew at this time.

Think of all the places I would have to go into/through and people I would have to encounter that I would just have to trust were not infected with the virus--cab to the airport, airport terminal its self, the airplane, the baggage claim, cab driver, baggage check personnel, ticket counter agent (no longer a company employee BTW), the gate agents, the flight attendants, the other passengers and on and on). Having the proud grandfather, aka my younger brother, send me daily photographs is the preferred solution.

96,000 booked on AA friday.I get out everyday drive around a bit, pick up a friend to take grocery shopping we both have masks.Here in NY the last few hundred who were confirmed all sheltered in and conformed to social distancing Govenor Cuomo said he was baffled ( im.baffled by some of the chit he does but that's for the water cooler).I do know staying home till there is a vaccine isn't sustainable.Sombody got a plan B or C or......?