A.M.F.A. support at the line stations?

[Anomaly]

I will say this AGAIN ....NW was out (along with other airlines and industrial unions) to break AMFA and thats a fact. The concept was a good one just too many want to see it fail mostly industrial unions who use AMT's to raise the wages of the unskilled. Think its not true? Tell you what when I was under the IAm I made 2 bucks an hr over a ramp guy at most the whole time I was in that union..First day under AMFA I got a 13 dollar an hr raise plus double my retirement. Look I am not taking anything away from ramp guys but I jumped though hoops to get to my next station in life just like pilots do I expect to be compensated for it. I now make over 100k if I had been stayed under the IAm at NWA I would still be making 40k. So yeah NW didn't turn out so well for some but not for me.

You made it to Southwest. Good for you.

 

[Anomaly]

You're delusional to think NWA would have turned out differently with the ibt. The company was out to bust the union.

My crystal ball is in the shop. Did I say the IBT was going to save NWA? I did not. Nor did I say they would save AA. I am simply saying AMFA made a huge error in judgment. They thought they could insult all the other Unions, then take a much lower pay cut, and do all this without showing the members the LOB. This was all done while NWA openly amassed their replacements. A sad but true story. I simply stated what happened.

 

[Anomaly]

I call BS on you being judgmental or not , you do so in most every post.

Come on Buck.... that's all you got?

I do not judge a person in management. They are not all bad.

Try to keep up will you?

 

[Anomaly]

I remember voting to strike. I alo remember choosing to strike. I also remember voting for all the people who represented me. I also have no regret.

What do you have?

It seems to have worked out well for you at least.

Nice job. (pat pat)

 

[Anomaly]

tech2101
ThirdSeatHero

I just want to personally thank you two for being here on this forum.

Exactly what we need is someone who was there to dispute these lies.

More of us would not know the facts without you two.
If you know of others please invite them into this forum.

I second that (stand and applaud) Third Seat Hero has a remarkably uncanny way of always seeing the glass half full. He reminds me of that Monty Python movie where the knight has his arms and legs chopped off but still wants to fight. "It's just a flesh wound..." LMAO : ) .....where's AMFA?

 

[Anomaly]

As much fun as this has been, I think I am going to take a day or two off. I just do not want you to think I am running away. Go ahead and post/bash/whatever. I'll read them and get back to you.

You all have a good day and stay safe. You are not my enemies and I mean that sincerely.

Be cool

 

[TWU informer]

Nice dodge, but you did nothing to discount the fact that we were screwed by AMFA.

Speaking of the game of dodge, you have failed to anwer questions regarding your claim of best return on investment being campaign financing, your above post was the only response to the question about Airline Reps and the ability to recall.

You were bashing AMFA because you falsely claimed they were not elected. Then you claimed that you could not recall another stations rep. So I asked for you to show us where the ibt has what upset you so much. And you failed to answer, and now I know why. I looked into the ibt constitution and guess what I found?

This for one:

General Organizers and International Representatives
shall be appointed by the General President
and while working under his orders shall receive a salary
as determined by the General President and reported to
the General Executive Board. International Auditors
shall be appointed by the General Secretary-Treasurer
and shall receive a salary as determined by the General
Secretary-Treasurer and reported to the General Executive
Board. The total salary of any General Organizer,
International Representative, or International Auditor
shall not exceed that of the General President. General
Organizers and International Auditors appointed after
the 1991 Convention shall not receive compensation or
allowances from any subordinate body

And in addition, when I searched for any recall procedure in the ibt Constitution, I got this:
Search Returned No Results


So just as I suspected, and the reason why you are dodging the questions is simple really.

The ibt has no elections for the reps period because they are appointed, and there is NO RECALL period.

So while you bash on about AMFA regarding elections and recall that did not suit your way, the ibt that you so dearly love has nothing of the sort.

You are just like the TWU stooges, you complain and angst over something related to AMFA and yet the organization that you support doesn't even provide what you are complaining about. You and others always fail to hold the union you support to the same standard you wish to hold AMFA.

As I read back through your postings, I am getting a clear picture of who you claim to be. You were a long time IAM Shop Steward and was upset about the AMFA filing and win. You were one that refused to accept the majority's decision and so most of that chaos that you speak of was coming from you personally because you could not accept what the majority decided.​

You are what I call a snibbler, an industrial union zealot that does not demand from your union what you cannot stand about another. I suspect your professional standards as a mechanic are just as likely suspect too.

 

[TWU informer]

Teamsters Constitution

Jurisdiction
Section 1(a). This organization has jurisdiction over all workers including, without limitation, teamsters, chauffeurs, warehousemen, and helpers; all who are employed on or around horses, harness, carriages, automobiles,
trucks, trailers, aircraft, and all other vehicles hauling, carrying, or conveying freight, merchandise, or materials; automotive sales, service, and maintenance employees; garage workers and service station employees; warehousemen of all kinds employed in warehouse
work, stockmen, shipping room employees, and loaders,
that is, persons engaged in loading or unloading freight,
merchandise, or other materials on, to, or from any type
of vehicle; all classes of dairy employees, inside and outside,
including salesmen, brewery and soft drink workers;
workers employed in ice cream plants; all other
workers employed in the manufacture, processing, sale,
and distribution of food, milk, dairy, and other products;
all truck terminal employees; cannery workers; all craft
or classes of airline and rail employees, including locomotive
engineers, trainmen, rail traffic controllers, and
maintenance of way workers; office, technical, and professional
employees; health care employees; agricultural
employees; public employees; all classifications of
employees in the graphic communications industry; law
enforcement personnel and industrial employees.

 

[enough already]

TulsAA World article:
"TWU: Insurgent mechanics' unions launch
membership drives at American Airlines"

http://www.tulsaworld.com/business/article.aspx?subjectid=49&articleid=20120614_45_E1_CUTLIN757660

 

[Buster CRC]

From the Tulsa World





Frank McCann, TWU's director of organizing, said AMFA's track record is one of unkept promises and failure.




"AMFA is a collection of liars, failures and parasites," McCann said. "They were responsible for every mechanic losing their job at Northwest (Airlines). They were booted out at United (Airlines). They agreed to off-shore maintenance jobs at Southwest (Airlines) in return for a little extra silver."

Frank what are you trying to say? Lol

 

[TWU informer]

From the Tulsa World





Frank McCann, TWU's director of organizing, said AMFA's track record is one of unkept promises and failure.




"AMFA is a collection of liars, failures and parasites," McCann said. "They were responsible for every mechanic losing their job at Northwest (Airlines). They were booted out at United (Airlines). They agreed to off-shore maintenance jobs at Southwest (Airlines) in return for a little extra silver."

Frank what are you trying to say? Lol

Directly from the mouth of the son of the late Frank McCann Sr. the appointed life long Exec, VP of the TWU.

Now comes Frank McCann Junior, also appopinted to the life time job of $200,000.00 to be the organizer director. I hope all you AA AMT's enjoy paying this guy $200,000.00 per year to call you and me liars, failures, and parasites. I take that a personal slap in face, since I am supporting AMFA, I am a TWU member, and the TWU failures and lies is the only reason why I am doing this!!!

Has he experienced a paycut? Has he experience a battle against a management dead set on busting the Union?

You know between appointees named Frank McCann Junior, Linda Dill, and Rick Mullings alone there is spent 1/2 Million Dollars per year from your paychecks.

Who is it the TWU is organzing anyway? I have not heard of any card drives they have in the works.

 

[Buster CRC]

http://blogs.star-telegram.com/extra_credit/2012/05/weatherford-school-bus-staffers-vote-to-join-labor-union.html

They organized some school bus drivers in Texas

 

[Buck]

Come on Buck.... that's all you got?

I do not judge a person in management. They are not all bad.

Try to keep up will you?

Oh I am keeping up. You are hear to run interference for the AFL-CIO and it's minion unions. It is obvious that fail to answer questions from the other posters. Give the readers something but hypocrisy.

 

[swamt]

I read some postings earlier that the TWU was under gag order. With AMFA you would not have been. AMFA would have had seats available for the membership to attend. This way you can sit there and watch exactly how your nego team is doing in action, as well as paticipate in the nego proccess. Can you do this with the TWU? No. Can you do this with the corrupted teamsters? NO. Also with AMFA, the membership votes for all nego members who are to be representing the membership at the table. TWU? No. Teamsters? No. All I can say is if you all want the same secret nego behind closed doors going on, and continue with these union presidents enacting contracts without a membership vote then you just keep the TWU.

For you AAers sitting on the fence, I say this. Vote in AMFA (you will not be disappointed as long as you all vote in the correct leadership to run AMFA) try them for 2 years, if you are not 100% better informed and better involved with them, simply recall the officers not working to your satisfaction. With AMFA you can do this, with TWU or teamsters you cannot. You are stuck with whomever was appointed. Never will I say AMFA is perfect, no union is. However, at least with AMFA the membership can make changes and tweaks fix the items that are not working in the memberships eyes. You cannot do this with anyone else. At AMFA the membership is who makes changes to the constitution, by-laws, local leadership, National leadership, each and every officer, nego committees, who we bring in as the experts, ASAP committee, ect... ect... The membership runs the union. The membership also votes on officers pay. Example: At SWA certain positions within AMFA are paid 200.00 per month above their current salary, not 100,000-200,000 plus for the union positions. Our membership also has to vote when the local wants spend more than 300.00 bucks. When we fired the teamsters, local 19 was having constant negative monthly ballances, since AMFA has came in, we have maintained a positive ballance each and every month.

I know this got a little long, but I think it was needed. When you guys vote AMFA in, DO NOT vote for the TWU guys to run it for you. This will be suiside. They would run it in the ground on purpose to say, "see, we told you guys not to go with AMFA" Look around right now at the folks promoting AMFA and get these guys that you know will make good leaders into those positions. Get involved, you guys will be amazed at what all the membership will have to vote on once you do bring AMFA in. This is how AMFA works though, from the membership, not appointed buddy-buddy system. Good luck to you guys, I really hope you all will give AMFA a shot, you will not be disappointed. 99% of us at SWA are extremely we fired the teamsters and brought in AMFA, never looking back...

 

[xUT]

You are one truly deluded individual if you think your pathetic attempts at slighting me are going to distract anyone from seeing you for what you and the teamsters really are.

So lets see....

You still haven't denied being a BA, Chief Steward, or Airline Division Rep.

You still haven't offered even the slightest counter to the LIES xUT cited about the ibt campaign at UAL. One would think this the easiest way to discredit an opponent, if the accusations were false.

Try as you will to paint UAL as seen with ibt colored glasses, myself and many others will make sure the AMTs at American know the truth.

Typical IBT rhetoric. Never answer the questions but throw out a bunch of bullshit, repeat it and keep what sticks.
Maybe Anomaly can explain why the IBT dropped the outsourcing grievance filed by AMFA that was 95% complete.
But I doubt it.
B) xUT