2015 Fleet Service thread

[Worldport]

Well here we are, day 1. We all should show support and solidarity to our negotiators who did a lot of hard work taking items from 2 contracts, writing in items from contracts outside of ours, and even coming up with some of their own ideas to present to the company. I'll say now that I'm fortunate on having friends on the TWU side and have made friends with others who are on the IAM side that will be sitting at the table across from the company. Yes early on there was some contention in trying to figure things out and learning to see the other sides perspective for items they preferred to keep. But those issues were put to bed quite awhile back and they all got together on the same page to craft a great first proposal to present to the company. The negotiators are unified and I'll even say that I think some of them are going to become long term friends.

While I wasn't given any precise details as to what is in the first proposal, I was assured that it's a great starting point recognizing the extraordinary profits the company is currently making and is projected to continue making. I have complete faith that these men are extremely prepared for whatever angles the company tries to throw at them and will bring us back something that we can give our approval too.

How long this might take though? That depends on both our negotiators and the company side really taking this seriously and wanting to get this done? The company played chess with the pilots, FA's and now the agents and if they try to do the same with out negotiators I don't think they'll enjoy that game.

The Association said there will be updates after that initial first proposal. So let's have just a little bit more patience and see what that means and what they plan to share?

I'm looking forward to those updates.

Peace Brothers and Sisters.

Chess game? The other work groups settled their contracts in record breaking time. The company is practically throwing the money at us, If we don't have a contract in 3/4 months  then in my opinion it will be the TWU screwing up again. Look at the CWA contract  we will be close. The unions cant take credit for the pay, you will have to thank DL for that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Chess game? The other work groups settled their contracts in record breaking time. The company is practically throwing the money at us, If we don't have a contract in 3/4 months  then in my opinion it will be the TWU screwing up again. Look at the CWA contract  we will be close. The unions cant take credit for the pay, you will have to thank DL for that.

I'm FAR from focused on just pay brother. Pay don't mean SQUAT if you vote the company the ability to take your job or maybe make you Part Time.

Focus bro. Go read some of those trap doors in those contracts you seem to admire.

Or maybe you'd like a UAL type contract? I'm sure the company will be more than willing to accommodate us with that one if we want it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Or maybe some of those unknown numbers of "Ready Reserves" they got over there at the mighty Delta?

No Thanks. "Greed kills"

 

[700UW]

Pilots and flight attendants had binding arbitration agreements.

 

[Black Magic]

The neg morons are just at the table for formalities. You're going to get what the company tells you your going to get!! Lord help us if they neg another "5 year industry leading contract" that becomes a dinosaur in 6 months...

 

[Worldport]

Or maybe some of those unknown numbers of "Ready Reserves" they got over there at the mighty Delta?

No Thanks. "Greed kills"

Im not saying you are wrong but you are fighting human nature plenty of CSA were saying they were going to vote no and you see what happened.This is why the union needs to communicate with us instead of monthly form letters.TWU will have to change a lot before I can trust them

 

[Jester]

WeAAsles,
 
Just curious, has there been any announcements as to what the two unions have agreed upon as it relates to their respective contractual differences?  Obvious differences would be the pension vs. the 401K, seniority based upon DOH vs. classification, furlough recall rights, etc.
 
I understand the final CBA will be subject to negotiations with the Company, but some issues I think are more of an internal problem between the unions for which the Company would be indifferent, so long as it doesn't impact the cost structure.

 

[WeAAsles]

WeAAsles,
 
Just curious, has there been any announcements as to what the two unions have agreed upon as it relates to their respective contractual differences?  Obvious differences would be the pension vs. the 401K, seniority based upon DOH vs. classification, furlough recall rights, etc.
 
I understand the final CBA will be subject to negotiations with the Company, but some issues I think are more of an internal problem between the unions for which the Company would be indifferent, so long as it doesn't impact the cost structure.

They gave no formal details publicly on any agreements made between the two groups. Too many eyes on Social Media and mouths would give away that information to the company and IMO would not be beneficial to successful negotiations.

Again we'll see what they decide to share publicly soon enough.

 

[WeAAsles]

Im not saying you are wrong but you are fighting human nature plenty of CSA were saying they were going to vote no and you see what happened.This is why the union needs to communicate with us instead of monthly form letters.TWU will have to change a lot before I can trust them

And that's why we elect leaders who hopefully have the fortitude to not give in to those members particular emotions.

Or greed.

They're our first line of defense unfortunately sometimes against our own personal wants or needs.

 

[WeAAsles]

The neg morons are just at the table for formalities. You're going to get what the company tells you your going to get!! Lord help us if they neg another "5 year industry leading contract" that becomes a dinosaur in 6 months...

And Lord help us if someone like yourself is ever sitting at a negotiating table.

 

[Black Magic]

And Lord help us if someone like yourself is ever sitting at a negotiating table.

That's all you got?? Use your own lines. So far everything you've brought forth is bs. All because your not a forward thinking person!

 

[Jester]

They gave no formal details publicly on any agreements made between the two groups. Too many eyes on Social Media and mouths would give away that information to the company and IMO would not be beneficial to successful negotiations.

Again we'll see what they decide to share publicly soon enough.

 
If it is cost-neutral, why would the Company care?  If the pension costs the same as the 401K, what would it matter from the Company's point-of-view?  I would think the furlough differences would be another like cost neutral issue.
 
This secrecy will cause many to become upset when the details of these non-monetary issues are suddenly thrown at them with a future TA.  The furlough rights language should be a big issue for those in PHX, as that could easily become an important matter in the near future.  I would just assume these issues be addressed now versus an attempt to correct after the TA is rejected by membership vote.

 

[AANOTOK]

 
If it is cost-neutral, why would the Company care?  If the pension costs the same as the 401K, what would it matter from the Company's point-of-view?  I would think the furlough differences would be another like cost neutral issue.
 
This secrecy will cause many to become upset when the details of these non-monetary issues are suddenly thrown at them with a future TA.  The furlough rights language should be a big issue for those in PHX, as that could easily become an important matter in the near future.  I would just assume these issues be addressed now versus an attempt to correct after the TA is rejected by membership vote.

Well said...

 

[WeAAsles]

If it is cost-neutral, why would the Company care?  If the pension costs the same as the 401K, what would it matter from the Company's point-of-view?  I would think the furlough differences would be another like cost neutral issue.
 
This secrecy will cause many to become upset when the details of these non-monetary issues are suddenly thrown at them with a future TA.  The furlough rights language should be a big issue for those in PHX, as that could easily become an important matter in the near future.  I would just assume these issues be addressed now versus an attempt to correct after the TA is rejected by membership vote.

Some of you guys trot out that "cost neutral" line a little too much for my taste. Cmon get with the program. These are certainly NOT cost neutral or concessionary times that we should even remotely think that way.

It's finally time that you all change your mindsets. Look around you, read what is happening.

Don't you think FINALLY it's time to start thinking positive.

I again don't know what they're going to share? But NO WAY do I want them to tip their hand to this POS company that we've seen wants to put in one pocket and take from the other.

Give me a break already.

 

[700UW]

Amid unprecedented company and industry profitability, the TWU-IAM Association today announced that it commenced the largest ever joint contract negotiations with American Airlines for approximately 30,000 ground workers in Dallas, Texas.



“American Airlines is booking record profits quarter after quarter because of its merger with US Airways. The carrier will more than double its earnings this year as compared to last year’s results,” said Association Chairman and Vice Chairman Sito Pantoja and Harry Lombardo, respectively. “The time has come for the 30,000 TWU-IAM Association members to achieve what they rightfully deserve: the industry’s best contracts."

“It was these workers who sacrificed when times were bad and made it possible for American to not only survive, but now thrive,” continued Pantoja and Lombardo. “It’s high time they receive their just rewards by attaining the job security, compensation, working conditions and the dignified retirement they rightfully deserve. Nothing less will suffice."



American Airlines and US Airways merged in 2013, creating the largest global airline. In response to that consolidation, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) and the Transport Workers Union (TWU) formed a labor alliance, representing approximately 30,000 Mechanic and Related, Fleet Service and Stores/Logistics employees. Prior to the merger, the TWU represented pre-merger ground workers at American and the IAM represented their pre-merger US Airways counterparts.



The TWU-IAM Association is the largest labor union at American Airlines.



For more information, visit www.usaamerger.com







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