2015 Fleet Service thread

[ograc]

Who is the real enemy?
 
Against who?

 
How long have you been in the industry? Have you been through the bankruptcy environment and process, regarding legal contractual binding agreements between the bankrupt carrier and it's unions? I hope you can figure it out on your own. One of the reasons the carrier files for bankruptcy is to legally impose drastic change, or abrogate existing labor contracts in an effort to remain solvent in front of a bankruptcy judge. Legislation and laws that legally allow such practices. Companies who take full advantage. Those would be the true threat to our livelihoods IMO. Unfair to blame any labor organization for such an environment. 

 

 

[john john]

I would agree with your prediction to an extent. I agree this will be the operational and marketing strategy going forward. The money is in the international destinations serviced out of the established international hubs. Eliminating domestic flying by regionals in these hubs frees up more mainline and international slots. Which, of course, increases yield and profits. RJ flying is much cheaper, in terms of overhead cost, across all work groups. I'm not sure what stations will be affected but some should be looking displacement options. The beat goes on.

Marketing with RJ frequency against the competition with scheduling one before during after this is senior management answer to why they like RJ’s

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

How long have you been in the industry? Have you been through the bankruptcy environment and process, regarding legal contractual binding agreements between the bankrupt carrier and it's unions? I hope you can figure it out on your own. One of the reasons the carrier files for bankruptcy is to legally impose drastic change, or abrogate existing labor contracts in an effort to remain solvent in front of a bankruptcy judge. Legislation and laws that legally allow such practices. Companies who take full advantage. Those would be the true threat to our livelihoods IMO. Unfair to blame any labor organization for such an environment. 

Since you tried to turn this political, if you want to talk about a war on your wallet and violating people look no further than Obamacare.
 
Who is the enemy?
 
Who indeed. 

 

[WeAAsles]

Man, you are one optimistic dude. Hope you are not expecting much for your birthday What is "Field work" ?

Article 26. Field work.

http://www.twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

I wouldn't ever have any interest in volunteering for that at straight time. A station say has a natural disaster and they solicit volunteers to get it up again or like when we took over TWA we had CC's that went to STL to teach them our way.

Not optimistic or pessimistic BTW. Just try to ride the waves I'm given most of the time. But a little more optimistic then pessimistic anyway. Chit if you're always thinking about everything in the negative why are you even bothering to live. Just buy a gun at a Pawn Shop and get it done. I don't think as many people are as pessimistic as they like to pretend they are really?

 

[Worldport]

Article 26. Field work.

http://www.twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

I wouldn't ever have any interest in volunteering for that at straight time. A station say has a natural disaster and they solicit volunteers to get it up again or like when we took over TWA we had CC's that went to STL to teach them our way.

Not optimistic or pessimistic BTW. Just try to ride the waves I'm given most of the time. But a little more optimistic then pessimistic anyway. Chit if you're always thinking about everything in the negative why are you even bothering to live. Just buy a gun at a Pawn Shop and get it done. I don't think as many people are as pessimistic as they like to pretend they are really?

So 3 articles in 5 days.I would like to sit in one session. They can't be grinding it out for 8 hrs

 

[Worldport]

Article 26. Field work.

http://www.twu.org/Portals/0/AirContracts/aa_FleetServiceAgreement.pdf

I wouldn't ever have any interest in volunteering for that at straight time. A station say has a natural disaster and they solicit volunteers to get it up again or like when we took over TWA we had CC's that went to STL to teach them our way.

Not optimistic or pessimistic BTW. Just try to ride the waves I'm given most of the time. But a little more optimistic then pessimistic anyway. Chit if you're always thinking about everything in the negative why are you even bothering to live. Just buy a gun at a Pawn Shop and get it done. I don't think as many people are as pessimistic as they like to pretend they are really?

Looking at the Mets this year I have reason to be optimistic. Looking at the pace of negotiations and TWU's wonderful history I have reason to be pessimistic. Just calls them as I sees them. Stick with the Top Flites you wont be using Titleists for a while my friend 

 

[ograc]

Since you tried to turn this political, if you want to talk about a war on your wallet and violating people look no further than Obamacare.
 
Who is the enemy?
 
Who indeed. 

 
 Corporate friendly bankruptcy laws. Corporate greed and the never ending return to the shareholders as priority one. These issues are the true threats to any organized work group. Your opinion, that it is all the union's fault, is a bit off base and undermines the leverage needed to secure contractual improvements in the JCBA negotiations. This "union's fault" mindset is counter productive to the overall betterment of the membership. This mindset is exactly what the company is counting and preying on. Not trying to turn this political at all. Just trying to open the eyes, of those confused, about who the true enemy is regarding the betterment of the combined Fleet  Service Group.  
 

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Corporate friendly bankruptcy laws. Corporate greed and the never ending return to the shareholders as priority one. These issues are the true threats to any organized work group. Your opinion, that it is all the union's fault, is a bit off base and undermines the leverage needed to secure contractual improvements in the JCBA negotiations. This "union's fault" mindset is counter productive to the overall betterment of the membership. This mindset is exactly what the company is counting and preying on. Not trying to turn this political at all. Just trying to open the eyes, of those confused, about who the true enemy is regarding the betterment of the combined Fleet  Service Group.

You actually believe the international is looking out for your best interest?
 
The TWU international is a bunch of parasites using your dues to gain personal wealth and political power. Your standard of living is at the very bottom of their list.
 
If you ask me allowing Right to Work in airlines would be fix a lot of the problems with the TWU. No longer could they use the threat of termination of employment to force membership.
 
My father is a 30 year UNION man. I can tell you his UNION performs and performs well. They have to because, they have to EARN their membership.
 
Something for you to consider while you defend/excuse TWU's failings.
 
By the way, I bet you don't mind "never ending return to shareholders" when you look at your 401K.

 

[700UW]

Now we all see it, you hate unions.

And how many times do you need to be told Cargo is an IAM member, not a TWU member?

 

[WeAAsles]

Looking at the Mets this year I have reason to be optimistic. Looking at the pace of negotiations and TWU's wonderful history I have reason to be pessimistic. Just calls them as I sees them. Stick with the Top Flites you wont be using Titleists for a while my friend 

In the past we've seen negotiations to try and gain improvements take years. Under the scenario I see right now it's going to finish off in months instead from the time they first sat down with the company.

After we were hit with BK we've already seen some improvements on the front end. The back end (retirement) is where we need to see some improvements.

 

[WeAAsles]

So 3 articles in 5 days.I would like to sit in one session. They can't be grinding it out for 8 hrs

They have been passing back and forth other Articles besides the one's they've TA'd. Some articles may wind up being passed back and forth a dozen times until they reach an agreement to pass it forward.

 

[WeAAsles]

You actually believe the international is looking out for your best interest?
 
The TWU international is a bunch of parasites using your dues to gain personal wealth and political power. Your standard of living is at the very bottom of their list.
 
If you ask me allowing Right to Work in airlines would be fix a lot of the problems with the TWU. No longer could they use the threat of termination of employment to force membership.
 
My father is a 30 year UNION man. I can tell you his UNION performs and performs well. They have to because, they have to EARN their membership.
 
Something for you to consider while you defend/excuse TWU's failings.
 
By the way, I bet you don't mind "never ending return to shareholders" when you look at your 401K.

You and I see two very different TWU's. I guess from your own personal experiences I can understand that, but this is the TWU I see. 

The average person who handles bags in the US according to BLS reports makes $24,000 per year or $12.00 per hour. Some with benefits and some without. I make with my longevity $50,000 or $24.20 per hour with benefits. That comes from both the good and bad of CBA negotiations stretching back to the 1940's. I have a Pension. Frozen or not I still have it when those others I talked about I know for a fact never had one. My pension frozen is going to pay me $1500.00 per month when I retire.
$50,000 - $24,000 = $26,000

More than double the average.

Now going back to that average of $24,000. Pretty soon I'm going to see a contract that's going to bring me up to at least $30.00 per hour or $62,000 per year.
$62,000 - $24,000 = $38,000

And I'm also going to have an "employment contract" that basically guarantees that the company I work for can't just arbitrarily get rid of me maybe because they think they're paying me too much and want to lower their costs. Pretty much I can only get myself fired if I do something stupid.

My friend Gus that I went to High School with works for a sub contractor in JFK. He makes $14.00 and change per hour and he's been with them for around 11 years. I'm absolutely not in the position my friend Gus is in. But if there had been no TWU or for that matter any Union at my job, I'd be exactly where my friend Gus is right now. I'm 100% positive of that.

I'm sorry that being a part of a Union didn't work out well for you. But it does work out very well for the majority of people who are in one. You've seen me post it before. Again according to BLS the average Union member against his Non Union counterpart in the US makes $200.00 per week more.

That's $200.00 per week. $800.00 per month. $9600.00 per year. And that's an absolute fact.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and La Li, I get all of that from having to pay a lousy $48.00 per month.

My Union far and away is the best financial investment I have.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Now we all see it, you hate unions.

You and I see two very different TWU's. I guess from your own personal experiences I can understand that, but this is the TWU I see. 

The average person who handles bags in the US according to BLS reports makes $24,000 per year or $12.00 per hour. Some with benefits and some without. I make with my longevity $50,000 or $24.20 per hour with benefits. That comes from both the good and bad of CBA negotiations stretching back to the 1940's. I have a Pension. Frozen or not I still have it when those others I talked about I know for a fact never had one. My pension frozen is going to pay me $1500.00 per month when I retire.
$50,000 - $24,000 = $26,000

More than double the average.

Now going back to that average of $24,000. Pretty soon I'm going to see a contract that's going to bring me up to at least $30.00 per hour or $62,000 per year.
$62,000 - $24,000 = $38,000

And I'm also going to have an "employment contract" that basically guarantees that the company I work for can't just arbitrarily get rid of me maybe because they think they're paying me too much and want to lower their costs. Pretty much I can only get myself fired if I do something stupid.

My friend Gus that I went to High School with works for a sub contractor in JFK. He makes $14.00 and change per hour and he's been with them for around 11 years. I'm absolutely not in the position my friend Gus is in. But if there had been no TWU or for that matter any Union at my job, I'd be exactly where my friend Gus is right now. I'm 100% positive of that.

I'm sorry that being a part of a Union didn't work out well for you. But it does work out very well for the majority of people who are in one. You've seen me post it before. Again according to BLS the average Union member against his Non Union counterpart in the US makes $200.00 per week more.

That's $200.00 per week. $800.00 per month. $9600.00 per year. And that's an absolute fact.

Typical 700UW answer........
 
I am glad TWU is working out for you WeAAsles. I just hope they keep working out.
 
What I saw at 514 was a bunch of people that had community ties that kept them from "chasing the job" that had a $20+ dollar an hour lifestyle and debt load and no real skill to replace their income. I lost touch with most of them but I bet a few got in a much worse shape than Gus. Much worse.
 
Something else I saw were career TWA people that were given (if I remember correctly) April 2001 seniority. Many lost their jobs due to layoff or inability to "chase the job". I hope you never find yourself in that situation. You think a few of them after decades working for TWA found themselves in a worse situation than Gus?
 
I am not saying TWU/Fleet does not pay well. I am saying fortunes change and if you are smart you prepare for that.
 
Just ask an ex TWA employee.

 

[WeAAsles]

Go ask them, the IAM kept TW going longer than it should have thanks to William O'Driscoll.

And you can blame the Kasher decision for the seniority issue.

And you do hate unions, the proof is in your posts.

He absolutely does hate Unions. He has a "personal" experience where being a part of one that did not work out for "him" so now he's going to condemn the whole lot. Well I guess all any of us can do is continue to move forward?
 
FORT WORTH, Texas, March 18, 2016 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- American Airlines and the Transport Workers Union (TWU) Local 549 have reached a tentative agreement on a new joint collective bargaining agreement for Dispatchers and Operational Specialists.
 
"Our Dispatchers and Ops Specialists play a critical role in our airline and today’s tentative agreement represents a significant step in the integration process,” said Lorne Cass, vice president, Integrated Operations Center. “We would like to thank TWU Local 549 for their professionalism at the bargaining table, and to both negotiating teams for their dedication and hard work toward reaching an agreement."
 
The TWU Local 549 will share details of the tentative agreement directly to the membership in the coming weeks.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/american-airlines-transport-workers-union-000500029.html