2015 Fleet Service thread

[WeAAsles]

 
just wait w after we get screwed this go around the maintenance people will get there own union you wait and see . your very rude just like 700 when it comes to any one against the twu/iam . 

Having your own Union that you can put your feet up to is more important then getting the contract you've too long deserved?

That will never make sense to me.

 

[Buck]

Well someone here gets it.

And he was pleasant and informative, two users on this forum that support the Association could learn from him. 

 

[Buck]

They also will look up employees credit reports to see their financial condition.

I did not know that you are familiar with the TWU tactics of using fear and disinformation to persuade the membership to get your way. I don't know you personally but it appears some of those that are familiar with you are outright calling you a liar....
 
Shame on them....

 

[700UW]

I did not know that you are familiar with the TWU tactics of using fear and disinformation to persuade the membership to get your way. I don't know you personally but it appears some of those that are familiar with you are outright calling you a liar....
 
Shame on them....

No one on this thread knows me.

And it's a fact companies will look at credit reports before and during negotiations. I have been on two negotiating committees and assisted with one other.

 

[WeAAsles]

I did not know that you are familiar with the TWU tactics of using fear and disinformation to persuade the membership to get your way. I don't know you personally but it appears some of those that are familiar with you are outright calling you a liar....
 
Shame on them....

You see this is why I'm not always very nice with you guys. I asked you and told you a whole bunch of things yesterday but you just ignored it all because you don't want to listen. You ENJOY the thoughts you have and aren't even able to consider anything else.

You're reality is simple. YOU want a group called AMFA. You're in the extreme minority systemwide. But you do have about a dozen or so supporters on this Forums. You had 9 months with no interference from the TWU to get cards signed while we waited for the NMB decision. You guys did not even get close. Sure you tried to make it sound like you were on here, but it was a lie.

You needed to get USair mechanics on board as well and I don't hear a peep out of them. Again here's the reality on that.
 
Cast for Votes Share Machinists 1,903 56.8% Teamsters 1,418 42.3% AMFA write-in 8 0.2% No representation 21 0.6% Total 3,350 100.0%
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/08/machinists-beat-teamsters-in-us-airways-vote-for-mechanics-and-related-employees.html/

8 write in's for a group that only represents airline mechanics. What does not compute to you about that? 8

And before you say something about the TWU getting none. The TWU was not seeking any representation at US and they are not only an airline mechanics union.

I really and sincerely wish AMFA the best at SWA but at AA it's become nothing more now then an extremely boring and old conversation.

I'm sorry for you. I really am.

 

[NYer]

That would be just ONE candidate who has a proven track record and in the past when he was in office members were hurt needlessly due to HIS recklessness and ego. This same candidate who is now once again back in office and has a personal vendetta against the ATD, the International, and particularly the International Secretary Treasurer Alex Garcia.

Whether he likes it or not, the protection of the members comes before his personal vanity. Do you want to share his name and maybe a little of his story?

And if he had any balls he would come up to me and say what he has to say to my face. But he doesn't. He can only do that to people he feels are intimidated by him. Kind of cowardly wouldn't you say?

 
You've always been told to your face.
 
How does someone fulfill a "personal vendetta" with the International or any of its Officers?
 
Is it similar to calling other candidates names, like liars and cheats? Is it similar to going to members of management and warn them of the duly elected Officers?
 
Jump off the fence and look in the mirror.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
You've always been told to your face.
 

Good morning Nyer:

Yes quite awhile back I was told things to my face by a group of people who didn't want me to listen to the other side and hear what they had to say. Once I did start listening to them I realized that they weren't exactly the "hate posse" that some people wanted me to believe they were. You have to be willing to listen to all sides of things to make up your own mind.
 

 
How does someone fulfill a "personal vendetta" with the International or any of its Officers?
 

Very easy actually. By undermining. Plant seeds in people's heads and let them grow. Make phone calls, write E-mails, ignore initiatives they're involved in, and never point out anything they may have done right. Paint a picture that there's is nothing they can or have done right and then support an opposition candidate. 

Tim Nelson does it with the IAM. Just not very subtly. And also the AMFA supporters as well.
 
 

 
Is it similar to calling other candidates names, like liars and cheats? Is it similar to going to members of management and warn them of the duly elected Officers?
 
 

Actually what I said was "Liar, cheater and a man with no integrity or honor" to be specific. And since you want to know precisely what I said here it is. I said "If Sidney decides to go to war with you for no reason, count me out. I'm Switzerland" Now that doesn't mean in any way that he might not have very good reasons to go to war with Local management at times and in the future and if he does have good reasons I will support him. 
 

Jump off the fence and look in the mirror.

 

The fence you keep talking about means to support someone that I don't think at the moment deserves my support. He isn't doing anything to deserve it right now and that's for sure.

NYer do you know if TWU Local 568 President Sidney Jimenez has reached out to current ATD Director and International Financial Secretary Alex Garcia yet? 

Alex Garcia is also the COPE director for the TWU. That involves REAL politics. Do you know if Sidney has or will appoint a new Political Coordinator for Local 568? I know that when I asked Sidney about the position and what he thought about it when I was considering it his response was "I'll shut it down, I won't help Alex" So Sidney will have no direct relationship with any Local political leaders or assist his Union as a whole in any Political fashion because (his enemy) runs the office. That told me a lot about the man who is now once again President here. 

Once again another Union officer who cares more about himself then the members he's supposed to be serving.
 

 

[Rogallo]

 
Once again another Union officer who cares more about himself then the members he's supposed to be serving.
 

 
I'll drink a $1000 bottle of wine to that!

 

[cltrat]

unfortunately they seem rather common in the union business

 

[conehead777]

Conehead777, Can i ask you a question on AMFA? would you belong to a main body union or would you have locals like the twu?

locals

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AMFA has a unique organizational structure driven by membership participation at the Local level. Each Local is governed by its own bylaws approved by the membership. Membership control of their Local is established and enhanced by the AMFA Constitution. The membership is represented by an elected Local Executive Council (LEC), which consists of a President, Vice President, Secretary, Treasurer, and Safety and Standards Chairman. Each airline within a Local is represented by an Airline Representative, who deals with contractual issues. All financial and other information required to be filed by the LEC is made available to the membership, and seats at the LEC meetings are made available to members. Any Local officer or representative is subject to membership recall, and twenty-five percent of the Locals can initiate the recall of any National officer.

Locals are comprised of members who are actively engaged in aircraft maintenance or support for any represented carrier. In areas or ancillary stations where there are not sufficient numbers of AMFA members to support an independent Local, these members are assigned to a Local by the National Executive Council.

Please visit the Websites of our currently active locals by clicking the links below:

 

[700UW]

This is a Fleet Service thread not mechanics and not about AMFA.

And you all complain about fleet posting in a maintenance thread.

 

[WeAAsles]

This is a Fleet Service thread not mechanics and not about AMFA.

And you all complain about fleet posting in a maintenance thread.

Not fair this time my friend. He was asked the question I'm assuming by a FSC so it's fair that he also is able to answer without any of us here treating him like they treat us on their thread. 

Like I said. I will share my water fountain with him.

 

[ograc]

10 mil for 500 thousand shares. Nice deal. I wouldn't care if all people were included in sharing the good times. But we're not. And we've received other low blows as well, such as the company wanting to use active members prefunding to use for retired people. The 4% that others got, we did not. During the best time ever for the industry and the company I've seen no signs of good faith from mgmt at all. After 13 years or whatever of a pay cut you would think they would have at least a remote concern about people who take care of their customers.

 
people (represented employees) who sacrificed on a collective basis to keep both LUS and AA afloat through bankruptcy. Their actions and posture at the negotiating table, although early in the process, demonstrate their lack of appreciation for past sacrifice and the level of concern they have for the people who take care of their customers on a daily basis. You know why? Because we continue to look after their customers and their business. Many believed the company, given the current environment, would take this opportunity to recognize these past sacrifices and make things right.. Out of the gate, concerning opening JCBA negotiations for Fleet, that doesn't seem to be their posture. Not suprising but sad. 
 

 

[Talos]

 
people (represented employees) who sacrificed on a collective basis to keep both LUS and AA afloat through bankruptcy. Their actions and posture at the negotiating table, although early in the process, demonstrate their lack of appreciation for past sacrifice and the level of concern they have for the people who take care of their customers on a daily basis. You know why? Because we continue to look after their customers and their business. Many believed the company, given the current environment, would take this opportunity to recognize these past sacrifices and make things right.. Out of the gate, concerning opening JCBA negotiations for Fleet, that doesn't seem to be their posture. Not suprising but sad. 
 

Point well taken. The members themselves are going to have to do things by the book. Most people I've worked with do a good job and actually go out of their way to. The company would prefer to contract stuff out as your reward. Hopefully it is just posturing and something decent happens. I sure won't hold my breath waiting on it.

 

[ograc]

Point well taken. The members themselves are going to have to do things by the book. Most people I've worked with do a good job and actually go out of their way to. The company would prefer to contract stuff out as your reward. Hopefully it is just posturing and something decent happens. I sure won't hold my breath waiting on it.

 
Time will tell what position the company takes in negotiations. Let's hope for the best but prepare for the worst.