2015 AMT Discussion

There is a rumor that all pro Association users of this forum are being moved back to their Mechanic or Fleet Service jobs they were originally hired to do....
 
Buck said:
There is a rumor that all pro Association users of this forum are being moved back to their Mechanic or Fleet Service jobs they were originally hired to do....
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No no no both supporters will be appointed to the international!
 
Buck said:
 
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toroshark said:
  Your continuous beating us over the head because Jim Little screwed us over is getting waaayyy old. The majority of mechs at legacy AA finally signed cards. By hook or crook{ IBTscam or Association scam} it is what it is for the time being. GO over to SWA forums and rant how you still dont have a new contract or how AMFA got out smarted with the IBT/TWU fraud. Do you really have to post "I told you so" to a group of people who knew EVEN etter than you the screwing we have and are to receive. We are living it so quit pouring salt in the wounds please.
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Again, sorry for the blunt statement. And I am truly sorry to hear what you guys are going thru and have to deal with. However, with that said, I don't mean to direct my comments to "all" of AA's mechs, but more to all the TWU lovers and believers who always believe what they hear (from their union) and never do any of their own research to get the truth to anything the union is telling them. Trust me I do know how many cards were signed by the AA mechanics, and yes it was a majority. And I did, as well as others, tried to warn the AA guys exactly what the TWU, IAM, ibt, and the co would do to kill the card drive and they were successful in doing so. I even warned about the AA co and the teamsters working together to file in record timing the list of eligible members to the NMB (within 4 hrs) unheard of.  And BTW, I never posted "I told you so".  
 
ASSociation Clown said:
I usually agree with SWAAMT to, but the I told you so message is getting old, especially when his union is posting this message.  As much as I hate this association, at least they don't sound defeated yet like this memo.  Can you imagine what would happen if the association were to put this out at AA telling us to expect less once again, and not to use Delta wages as a measuring stick, but rather look at the overall package.  Seriously, why not want it all.
 
http://www.amfanational.org/index.cfm?zone=/unionactive/view_article.cfm&HomeID=528172
 
[SIZE=24pt]Memorandum[/SIZE]
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AMFA Members
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National Executive Council
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[SIZE=12pt]September [/SIZE]17, 2015
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Delta Airlines Update
As most of you have heard by now, the AMTs at Delta Airlines are scheduled to receive a 14.5 percent pay raise in December of this year, which will increase their annual pay to around $94,000.  This will make the Delta AMTs the third highest paid AMT workgroup in the industry behind UPS and FedEx. While this is obviously great news for our craft and a reinforcement by a major corporation to the value of our services, we must not lose sight that our non-union contemporaries at Delta are “at will” employees. Your respective Negotiating Committee is aware of this change in our industry and rest assured this latest development will be equated into all future discussions.
 
Although higher industry hourly wages are undoubtedly beneficial to our craft, there is more to preserving our current standard of living than the hourly wage. The earning potential and job protections that our Collective Bargaining Agreements provide for far outweighs an hourly wage increase for the majority of our members. While basic math will prove this statement true, it takes far more than basic math to prove how important our earnings potential and job protections are to us and the livelihood of our families.
 
Please do not misinterpret this message as of course hourly wages are an extremely important piece of our overall package and will be adamantly fought for in negotiations. Just keep in mind that the gains we achieve in negotiations are contractual unlike the Delta raises that could be gone before they are realized.  Please continue to support AMFA and your Negotiating Committee as they bargain on your behalf.
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This memo is pointing out to not JUST look at pay increases.  That language (work rules and such) is just as important if not more than the dollar signs that the co is putting out, and the airlines use this tactic to buy off the membership for the work rules they want changed, which could and usually is a higher concession to the members over the pay rate increases.  In other words LOOK at the entire package, compute the entire package, and then come to the final decision, simple math folks.  Again, sorry for the blunt statement, but I still stand behind what I posted, and I am sorry if the truth hurts, and I in no way was pouring salt in your wounds...
 
I am no fan of this Union, but I don't think the TWU can be blamed for AFW closing. You can blame the TWU for trading our pay to save jobs, only to see station closings time after time. I doubt AA considers the TWUs presidents at all.

We have a president who tells the members that the association is ready and we are waiting on the company, and we have other local president and Union update website saying that they're still preparing proposal.

Why would AA take the Association seriously when the union leadership isn't speaking as one, and/or misinforming membership. Isn't that the purpose of a union is for workers to speak with one voice?

I just want to be dealt with honestly.
 
So is it today that we will get the same broken record post from the Association saying they met this week and continue to work on combining the contracts and we will meet again sometime in the future. What a complete joke.
 
Rogallo said:
"We made good progress this week............."
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Yea, a completely new union got a TA for a previously unrepresented group. Meanwhile, our long established bargaining representatives sit on they're collective arses while the membership continues working under a BK agreement as the company makes record breaking profits.
 
Its ridiculous having such an experienced group representing us. They are impotent and a bunch of idiots, that includes the Local 591 leaders that can do nothing to move the process along.
 
This new group wether at the International level or local level  line, AFW Taesl, or 514, are not experienced at all. They are a bunch of impotent, moronic of fools.
 
I think it is Asinine that more so the company than the union screws with every members livelihood. Both sides say publicly that they are ready to negotiate but yet neither have made direct contact with each other setting up a schedule or anything. The company holds these town halls stating how good everything is and how good they are. They keep dangling this Delta +7 carrot in front of everyone knowing damn well that it is not coming anytime soon. I think it's their sick joke just to bait us to get them through there record profit 2015. I wish both sides would get off there a$$e$ and quit screwing with everyone's life. The new word for delays should be Delta 7s.
 
Yup still working on differences between the two work groups. Another meeting coming to confirm what was discussed and agreed too the previous month. I think AA will make more cuts or adjustments to our work group. Then they can negotiate from there. Whatever is left. The big question is when will AA be satisfied enough with all the changes before they go to the negotiation table?
 
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