2014 Pilot Discussion

[A320 Driver]

The part I found most interesting is lawyers reversing their arguments on the very same issues from previous arbitrations. I thought Jess did a good job on the stand, but I am only reading a transcript, not watching from the room. He sounds sincere when he says he wants to work with the West to craft a proposal that is in standing with recent arbitrations...citing specifically United/Continental. Bill Wilder's summation was everything I hoped for. It's finally on the record how many times USAPA and the East sought help, support, and inclusion from the West only to be turned down every time. You can never tell how arbitrators will rule (duh), so I am not making any predictions either. For one side or the other to call this a butt whipping is REALLY a stretch. 
 
I guess we will know in 30 days.   

 

[Claxon]

Seriously, do you guys not see the monumental butt whupping that you just took in that arbitration? Are you just trying to fool yourselves or do you really believe that you are winning the game? The funny part is that you pretty much hosed yourselves in the next arbitration and you don't even know it yet.

Ask Ferguson and his west pilots why they passed on the Nicolau with a fair fence some 8 years ago. Talk about positioning poorly. They would be 330 drivers right now, in a fantastic pay position and salary position. You and the other ALPA cheerleaders are clueless, stunningly stupid in RLA matters. You pontificate like that idiot Metroyet, and don't understand RLA law. It is great Holiday fare, sitting before a warm fire and seeing your idiotic predictions, again.

 

[Claxon]

west pilots go up against the author of McCaskill Bond. Eric Ferguson has the temerity to try and school the teacher. William Wilder will literally eat their lunch again.

 

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[SIZE=10pt]"CEO Doug Parker, President Scott Kirby and EVP Corporate Affairs Steve Johnson today met with the APFA at the union’s request. At that meeting, the APFA requested, and the Company agreed, to revise the joint collective bargaining agreement that was established last week by the arbitration process. This revision increases the pay rates contained in that agreement. The new higher pay rates are the same as those contained in the previous tentative agreement, and are approximately 6.5% higher than those included in the agreement set by the arbitration. These rates provide our flight attendants the highest hourly rates among our network peers, and will go into effect January 1, 2015. With this action behind us, we can look forward to the year ahead and beyond as one team, and with great momentum as we continue our integration plans. "[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Pilots going to arbitration FIRST and then the Company will pay us....something, maybe.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]BOOYAA APA![/SIZE]

 

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The part I found most interesting is lawyers reversing their arguments on the very same issues from previous arbitrations. I thought Jess did a good job on the stand, but I am only reading a transcript, not watching from the room. He sounds sincere when he says he wants to work with the West to craft a proposal that is in standing with recent arbitrations...citing specifically United/Continental. Bill Wilder's summation was everything I hoped for. It's finally on the record how many times USAPA and the East sought help, support, and inclusion from the West only to be turned down every time. You can never tell how arbitrators will rule (duh), so I am not making any predictions either. For one side or the other to call this a butt whipping is REALLY a stretch. 
 
I guess we will know in 30 days.   

Wilder summed it all up extremely will with all the West outreach USAPA tried to give, just to get their hand slapped away time and again.  Statutorily the APA lacks ability to appoint the committee.
 
It WAS a butt whipping.  The testimony Pauley gave in conjunction with Wilder's opening and closing attack statements summed it all up.
 
Freund got put in his place when finding out Pauley was at the United/Continental arbitration as well as the arbitrator coming in to rephrase Freund's question about the list(s) methodology.  Who is going to turn out the lights over at AOL since the sun has already set on this stupid Don Quixote quest of righteousness??

 

[luvthe9]

Wilder summed it all up extremely will with all the West outreach USAPA tried to give, just to get their hand slapped away time and again.  Statutorily the APA lacks ability to appoint the committee.
 
It WAS a butt whipping.  The testimony Pauley gave in conjunction with Wilder's opening and closing attack statements summed it all up.
 
Freund got put in his place when finding out Pauley was at the United/Continental arbitration as well as the arbitrator coming in to rephrase Freund's question about the list(s) methodology.  Who is going to turn out the lights over at AOL since the sun has already set on this stupid Don Quixote quest of righteousness??

I cant wait to see AOL's next lawsuit, when will they learn. AOL has done nothing but embarrass the rest of the west pilots.

 

[EastCheats]

This is a welcome break from sigh...blah blah blah knights, blah blah spartans, wash, rinse, repeat. At least there is a debate concerning the transcripts.

Kennedy leaves no doubt the APA runs the show and has the authority to determine what is a fair process while questioning Jess.

Pg 666
1 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: Well, I think there's
2 further questions about the duty of fair
3 representation that the USAPA Committee says it
4 doesn't have.
5 MR. WILDER: Well, he didn't assert that
6 there was a duty, is my only point.
7 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: Well, you can ask
8 questions about it. Go ahead.
9 BY MR. KENNEDY:
10 Q. You understand, as we sit here today, that
11 the APA is the certified bargaining representative
12 of the entire pilot combined pilot group or
13 the combined craft and class under the Railway Labor
14 Act.
15 You understand that?
16 A. Yes.

Pg 668
Q. So it is setting up the fair and equitable
12 process for the determination of the seniority list
13 that insulates the bargaining representative from
14 liability and from exposure under the duty of fair
15 representation.
16 A. That is my understanding, yes.
17 MR. KENNEDY: That's all I have.
18 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All right. Very good.

 

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This is a welcome break from sigh...blah blah blah knights, blah blah spartans, wash, rinse, repeat. At least there is a debate concerning the transcripts.

Kennedy leaves no doubt the APA runs the show and has the authority to determine what is a fair process while questioning Jess.

Pg 666
1 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: Well, I think there's
2 further questions about the duty of fair
3 representation that the USAPA Committee says it
4 doesn't have.
5 MR. WILDER: Well, he didn't assert that
6 there was a duty, is my only point.
7 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: Well, you can ask
8 questions about it. Go ahead.
9 BY MR. KENNEDY:
10 Q. You understand, as we sit here today, that
11 the APA is the certified bargaining representative
12 of the entire pilot combined pilot group or
13 the combined craft and class under the Railway Labor
14 Act.
15 You understand that?
16 A. Yes.

Pg 668
Q. So it is setting up the fair and equitable
12 process for the determination of the seniority list
13 that insulates the bargaining representative from
14 liability and from exposure under the duty of fair
15 representation.
16 A. That is my understanding, yes.
17 MR. KENNEDY: That's all I have.
18 ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All right. Very good.

Yes, that IS the jist.  APA has a duty to ADHERE to the M-B process and under BOTH the MOU and the Protocol agreement that has occurred.  The difference is the APA has taken a HIGHLY UNSUAL stance to take sides with the Company, a party who LOST in Judge Silvers court, and taking an ADVERSARIAL AND OPPORTUNISTIC PLAY to break the US Airways pilots apart to their ADVANTAGE all under the guise of DFR when the REAL FACT IT IS A STATUTORY ISSUE of which the arbitrators are well aware of.
 
Keep in mind USAPA is BACKSTOPPED under 10.e. of the MOU and even in the protocol agreement has NOT WAIVED the right to appeal to district court to uphold their STATUTORY rights under M-B.  Those dumba$$e$ at the APA have opened themselves up for negotiating a protocol agreement that takes them INTO the DFR claim the AOL is SURE to file against them next year by trying to TAKE SIDES!  You know it's coming and APA has stepped right into it.

 

[EastCheats]

Yes, that IS the jist.  APA has a duty to ADHERE to the M-B process and under BOTH the MOU and the Protocol agreement that has occurred.  The difference is the APA has taken a HIGHLY UNSUAL stance to take sides with the Company, a party who LOST in Judge Silvers court, and taking an ADVERSARIAL AND OPPORTUNISTIC PLAY to break the US Airways pilots apart to their ADVANTAGE all under the guise of DFR when the REAL FACT IT IS A STATUTORY ISSUE of which the arbitrators are well aware of.
 
Keep in mind USAPA is BACKSTOPPED under 10.e. of the MOU and even in the protocol agreement has NOT WAIVED the right to appeal to district court to uphold their STATUTORY rights under M-B.  Those dumba$$e$ at the APA have opened themselves up for negotiating a protocol agreement that takes them INTO the DFR claim the AOL is SURE to file against them next year by trying to TAKE SIDES!  You know it's coming and APA has stepped right into it.

The APA is anticipating lawsuits...that we can agree.

 

[Phoenix]

It was a butt whipping...
1. It is a statutory issue.
2. The West had no independent premerger craft (except of course as USAir Pilots).
3. The West has refused to participate in their craft (but cannot thereby establish an indepedant craft.)
4. The West has no equities indepedant of the equities they share with all of their premeger craft.

Request will be denied, pursuant to the law or the arb panel will experience a butt whipping.

 

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It was a butt whipping...
1. It is a statutory issue.
2. The West had no independent premerger craft (except of course as USAir Pilots).
3. The West has refused to participate in their craft (but cannot thereby establish an indepedant craft.)
4. The West has no equities indepedant of the equities they share with all of their premeger craft.

Request will be denied, pursuant to the law or the arb panel will experience a butt whipping.

There it is.  The truth of it.

 

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The APA is anticipating lawsuits...that we can agree.

LOA 93.1.  The last contract well see for quite some time.

 

[Piedmont1984]

LOA 93.1.  The last contract well see for quite some time.

The last contract I will see - period.

 

[Metroyet]

The APA is anticipating lawsuits...that we can agree.

I have no doubt USTUPID already has a complaint in the can to file immediately following their defeat. USAPA is nothing. Nothing. The APA is the new 800# gorilla that will do whatever the hell it wants. It wants the West pilots to have a seat. Period. There is only one concievable reason the East is fighting so hard to deny the West pilots a voice...and everybody knows exactly what that is. Such Cowardice....

 

[luvthe9]

The APA is anticipating lawsuits...that we can agree.

I'm sure the APA is very worried about a suit from the west, NOT, They have not won anything yet. Keep paying Marty he loves you guys.