2014 Pilot Discussion

[Metroyet]

Wilder proved two important things courtesy of the West witnesses on the first day.. 1) the putative west merger committee is of dubious origen from a group that is not a premerger craft or class, and 2) the west group's only interest in having a committee is the Nic which is nothing to do with a unique interest in the merge of American and USAiways pilot groups pursuant to MB.

How does any of your epic revelations restrict the APA from exercising their right to allow for a fair process? Honestly, what is so bad about letting the West have their own reps at SLI? The very fact this "mini-arb" is taking place sheds full light as to the real purpose and intentions of USAPA. Nobody has been fooled. Also, sounds like Chairman Javit gutted Jess Pauley asking him directly if he and USAPA were "the new george Nicolau"?

Hmmm...I wonder what Chairman Javit was alluding to?

 

[Phoenix]

How does any of your epic revelations restrict the APA from exercising their right to allow for a fair process? Honestly, what is so bad about letting the West have their own reps at SLI? The very fact this "mini-arb" is taking place sheds full light as to the real purpose and intentions of USAPA. Nobody has been fooled. Also, sounds like Chairman Javit gutted Jess Pauley asking him directly if he and USAPA were "the new george Nicolau"?
Hmmm...I wonder what Chairman Javit was alluding to?

Personally I don't have any issue with the west having a separate committee.

However before you guys waste time and effort you should realize this arbitration pannel is not interested in hearing what USAPA intends or purposes. You do realize no one contests USAPA's statutory right to participate in the MB proceedings? The USAPA has an MB committee.

Rather than being worried about USAPA, the Applicants need to persuade the arbitration panel that the West pilots should be granted a separate MB merger committee. The two most important thresholds to be granted a separate MB committee are 1) being a premerger craft or class in a covered transaction and 2) having unique seniority interests in that covered transaction between the covered classes.

Leospanker fails on both.

 

[Metroyet]

Personally I don't have any issue with the west having a separate committee.
However before you guys waste time and effort you should realize this arbitration pannel is not interested in hearing what USAPA intends or purposes. You do realize no one contests USAPA's statutory right to participate in the MB proceedings? The USAPA has an MB committee.
Rather than being worried about USAPA, the Applicants need to persuade the arbitration panel that the West pilots should be granted a separate MB merger committee. The two most important thresholds to be granted a separate MB committee are 1) being a premerger craft or class in a covered transaction and 2) having unique seniority interests in that covered transaction between the covered classes.
Leospanker fails on both.

Ok...so WHY does any of that PROHIBIT the APA from exercising their rights as a CBA? The West is entitled to a fair process. That's the singular problem for you and the detail USTUPID continually failed to understand. The West is getting their seat. Everybody but USAPA sees the necessity.

 

[Phoenix]

Ok...so WHY does any of that PROHIBIT the APA from exercising their rights as a CBA? The West is entitled to a fair process. That's the singular problem for you and the detail USTUPID continually failed to understand. The West is getting their seat. Everybody but USAPA sees the necessity.

I gotta hand it to you. Marty is the king of implicit assumptions.

What prohibits the APA? The Protocol Agreement.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
It's business 101...
 
A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a hybrid business entity having certain characteristics of both a corporation and a partnership or sole proprietorship (depending on how many owners there are). An LLC, although a business entity, is a type of unincorporated association and is not a corporation.
 
It's not a "limited liability corporation." There is some confusion about what the term "LLC" means. An LLC is a limited liability company,. It's not a corporation, and you don't incorporate a business as an LLC.
 
http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/businessorganizationforms/f/faq_vs_corp.htm
 

 
Thanks for that.  I was too busy, too.

 

[end_of_alpa]

How does any of your epic revelations restrict the APA from exercising their right to allow for a fair process? Honestly, what is so bad about letting the West have their own reps at SLI? The very fact this "mini-arb" is taking place sheds full light as to the real purpose and intentions of USAPA. Nobody has been fooled. Also, sounds like Chairman Javit gutted Jess Pauley asking him directly if he and USAPA were "the new george Nicolau"?
Hmmm...I wonder what Chairman Javit was alluding to?

You must be there.

 

[Phoenix]

You must be there.

Maybe he was a "star" witness. Have the arbitrators yet received their complimentary liberty ties?

 

[EastUS1]

There's that "Supreme Confidence " that has cost you so dearly!

 
Umm..."cost" exactly what, in your estimation? I'm honestly curious...? To place it in admittedly selfish terms; I've the satisfaction of knowing I never sold out my junior coworkers of many years, as well as the fully realistic expectation of being able to retire without ever needing to tolerate the socially joyous presence of delightful beacons of brilliance as yourself, or any other "spartans" in "my" crews. Please explain the great loss sustained by enduring such horrible circumstances, since I just don't see any...?
 
P.S. Sigh!...I now see the tragically great loss involved with such sorry circumstances as the above....an immediate "minus vote" on an internet chat thread! How foolish of me to not realize the "dire" (wolf?) consequences of my actions, and that I'll have to live out my sorry life without any hope for an impressively "decorated" avatar, a "many surprise victories" gained in supposed "battle" west "knight"-hood, a "Liberty" tie, or even so much as an "Integrity Matters"/way-cool-dude T-shirt...Dang it!

 

[EastUS1]

 
....I'll have to live out my sorry life without any hope for an impressively "decorated" avatar, a "many surprise victories" gained in supposed "battle" west "knight"-hood, a "Liberty" tie, or even so much as an "Integrity Matters"/way-cool-dude T-shirt...Dang it!

 
Sigh! With 4 minus votes immediately posted...well, I'll sadly speculate that even any hope of one day obtaining a "spartan army" issued "Larry Potta" wizard's costume's completely gone by the way side. The true "cost" of oppossing the nic obscenity is too horrible to fully imagine.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA

 

[EastCheats]

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[EastUS1]

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"One flew over the cuckoo's nest"...? That's much too modest on your part. Don't short yourself there kid. You've a whole host of overly-qualified cuckoos in your imaginary little "Army":
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxaQFQC0MAY
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlzpMjT58WY

 

[EastCheats]

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[Metroyet]

USTUPID didn't play the delay card that they always do this time. Someone is slipping up! Anyway, the mini Arb is over and I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone the USTUPID got it's ass kicked again. The APA takes their DFR very seriously and will do whatever it takes to honor it. The East idiots will sue but it's a lost cause and they know it. Wilder looking like a lying scumbag time and again...just like his clients. I've said all along, and I'll reaffirm:
 
The East will be lucky if all they get out of this is the Nic. award. Damn Lucky.

 

[EastCheats]

Maybe he was a "star" witness. Have the arbitrators yet received their complimentary liberty ties?

They got Jess the witness. Freund thanks you. AWEsome job!

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All three lists. I guess the gravamen of the questions is are you then putting yourself in the place of Nicolau, are you the new Nicolau because you are proposing a list which may not reflect Nicolau's list?

THE WITNESS: No, certainly not. We are trying to establish the seniority integration for this new process for US Airways pilots. And American has nothing to do with that.

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: But in that process, you are presenting lists which combine both East and West pilots and American.

THE WITNESS: And American pilots, yes.

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: And American pilots. And, therefore, you're making a proposal, which may be different than what Nicolau had in mind and issued back in '07.

THE WITNESS: Yes. It would be a different order.

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: It would be different.

THE WITNESS: It would be different.

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: All right.

MR. FREUND: Thank you. You ask much better questions than I do.

ARBITRATOR JAVITS: I was confused.

 

[EastCheats]

AA's Seniority Integration Committee Kennedy vs Wilder of USAPA LLC

MR. WILDER: Well, first, let me say that that's not the AA Committee's concern.
And secondly, so --
MR. KENNEDY: It's not your place to decide what's my concern.