2014 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

 
Hats = Nuisance enough...I ain't carryin' any conductor's baton around!...Just sayin'...

I thought it was a "rectal thermometer" or maybe even a probe from a space alien.  Oh, we can salivate over the possibilities!!!!
 
But man, that is the best picture yet of the new uniform.  Hey, just think how SMART the company is that "sold" that look to the Company!  They didn't have to do ANY work but got paid MILLIONS!
 
Sounds like good management to me!!!

 

[PullUp]

wow..moved up 171 numbers.
Cheers.

 

[dariencc]

Dined at the Philly food court this evening.  Wearing civvies.
 
A couple of Westies at the next table.  I could hear everything they said.  Very unhappy with the Easties, as is to be expected.  What really got my attention, though, was when they started trashing Eric Ferguson.  The "dumb ass" led them over the cliff.  Fed them a bunch of optimistic b.s. that led nowhere.  Pretends to be an expert when he doesn't know jack. 
 
Ouch.

 

[Claxon]

Bid results are out, big time movement. Geez the westies were really screwed over by AOL.

The bid results are proof positive Nicolau got it all wrong. The continued walls between east and west are the perfect lab conditions.
Eric Ferguson personally benefitted by feeding lies and false hope to the west pilots. Marty Harper made millions off the gullible west pilots, whose fears and hopes were fanned by the falsehoods of the law school attendee who had the temerity to call himself a lawyer.
The next bids will be even larger as the east attrition ramps to huge numbers.

 

[Claxon]

wow..moved up 171 numbers.
Cheers.

Next bid will trump this.

 

[Claxon]

Res Judicata has reportedly stroked out.

 

[Claxon]

"Given this circumstance, APA’s decision appoint a West Committee so that the interests of all groups of affected employees are represented in the SLI proceedings to construct a “fair and equitable” list is entirely consistent with its duty of fair representation."
 
"Indeed, the West Committee submits that it would likely be a breach of APA’s duty of fair representation if it did not appoint a West Committee."
 
west merger committee 
 
 
west pilots essentially are suing you now APA.
 
Make sure you click on updates and pre-hearing briefs.  The quintessential money pit.
http://www.west-merger-committee.com/

 

[Beancounter]

Make sure you click on updates.  The quintessential money pit.
http://www.west-merger-committee.com/

If the mini arbitration determines we get representation then I would think it would make sense for west pilots to contribute. I believe it is separate from AOL.

Bean

 

[Pi brat]

Make sure you click on updates.  The quintessential money pit.
http://www.west-merger-committee.com/

Interesting. Aren't there a few west pilots that didn't fly for AWA? Are they not going to be represented by "The America West Merger Committee"?

 

[Beancounter]

Interesting. Aren't there a few west pilots that didn't fly for AWA? Are they not going to be represented by "The America West Merger Committee"?

That's a good question, because we now have third listers out west that aren't ex AWA. If I remember correctly the protocol just references AA, east and west US. When in actuality there is AA, east, west, and third listers. Guess we'll know in the next 1-2 years.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

If the mini arbitration determines we get representation then I would think it would make sense for west pilots to contribute. I believe it is separate from AOL.

 
Click on the contribution link, it brings you back to the aol money pit.  You are going to get what you pay for, again.

 

[EastUS1]

"Given this circumstance, APA’s decision appoint a West Committee so that the interests of all groups of affected employees are represented in the SLI proceedings to construct a “fair and equitable” list is entirely consistent with its duty of fair representation."
 
"Indeed, the West Committee submits that it would likely be a breach of APA’s duty of fair representation if it did not appoint a West Committee."
 
west merger committee 
 
 
west pilots essentially are suing you now APA.
 
Make sure you click on updates and pre-hearing briefs.  The quintessential money pit.
http://www.west-merger-committee.com/

 
Just a wry observation here: The first stated premise of the purely-self-appointed "West Committee" submits that they'll strive "to achieve a fair and equitable seniority integration" but the follow up states they are "dedicated to advocating for the best possible integration and protection of every America West pilot." While it's axiomatic that all concerned will shoot for the very best they can get for their own...well, the two ideas "fair and equitable," but "best" for "every America West pilot" are mutually exclusive by any test of logic, and it's patently absurd to pretend that basic truth in any way represents even the slightest honest concern for whatever's supposedly "fair and equitable" at all...but I guess the "spartans" just can't help but to forever pretend themselves overly "righteous"...Must be something in the very air or water out there, or perhaps some deficiency in diet that requires an almost-hourly ingestion of 100% purely opportunistic BS to at all balance. Oh well, any "spartans" or "knights" in "dire" (wolf) need of over-priced ties can click this link:  http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/libertynecktie.html
 
"The mission of the America West Merger Committee is to work diligently, intelligently, and efficiently on behalf of all America West pilots, and to work cooperatively with the other Merger Committees, wherever possible, to achieve a fair and equitable seniority integration at the New American Airlines. ​The West Merger Committee believes in the sanctity and legitimacy of Final and Binding Seniority Arbitration, whether past or present, as well as factual, non-emotional communications to the America West pilots regarding our efforts on their behalf.  The West Merger Committee is dedicated to advocating for the best possible integration and protection of every America West pilot."              

 

[snapthis]

If the mini arbitration determines we get representation then I would think it would make sense for west pilots to contribute. I believe it is separate from AOL.

Bean

 
It looks like the APA and the company agrees with that premise.
 
I got a laugh about what someone heard in the lunchroom and reading other comedy. Meanwhile, court documents are being ignored. Nothing has changed around here, Bean.
 
 
 

CONCLUSION​

 
As the exclusive NMB-certified collective bargaining representative for the Company's pilots, APA has the discretion to designate a separate merger committee to represent the seniority interests of the pilots on the US Airways (West) Seniority List in the upcoming US Airways/ American seniority-integration arbitration. This exercise of discretion is consistent with APA's duty of fair representation and McCaskill-Bond's requirement that provisions be made for a "fair and equitable" seniority integration process. Moreover, APA's designation of a West Committee is prudent in light of past industry practice, the fraught history between the East and West Pilots, USAPA's constitutional mandate, and the fact that USAPA no longer owes any duty to the West Pilots. APA therefore respectfully asks this Preliminary Arbitration Board to grant the West
interests of the West Pilots, and implementation of the resulting integrated seniority list will be subject to inevitable delay and uncertainty, to the detriment of all parties.
December 3, 2014.
 
 

CONCLUSION​

APA, as the sole collective bargaining representative for all of the Company's
pilots, can and should designate a separate merger committee to represent the distinct seniority interests of the pilots on the West seniority list in the US Airways-American seniority-integration arbitration so that the pilots on each of the three seniority lists to be integrated can be separately, fully, and fairly represented. If such a committee is not appointed, the arbitration will proceed without consideration of the distinct seniority Pilots' request, pursuant to Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement, that a separate merger committee be designated to represent their interests in the upcoming seniority integration arbitration.
December 3, 2014.

 

[traderjake]

APA says, "APA therefore respectfully asks this Preliminary Arbitration Board to grant the West Pilots’ request, pursuant to Paragraph 8.b. of the Protocol Agreement, that a separate merger committee be designated to represent their interests in the upcoming seniority integration arbitration."

The Company says, "APA, as the sole collective bargaining representative for all of the Company’s pilots, can and should designate a separate merger committee to represent the distinct seniority interests of the pilots on the West seniority list in the US Airways-American seniority-integration arbitration so that the pilots on each of the three seniority lists to be integrated can be separately, fully, and fairly represented."

 

 

[EastUS1]

If the mini arbitration determines we get representation then I would think it would make sense for west pilots to contribute. I believe it is separate from AOL.

Bean

 
"I believe it is separate from AOL." No offense meant here Bean, but why would/should/could anyone even possibly assume that when the donation link's the following?  http://www.cactuspilotcontributors.com/contribute.html