2014 Pilot Discussion

[FWAAA]

In 2012, Horton offered profit-sharing to every AA employee in the 1113 term sheets; 15% first-dollar profit-sharing computed on the pre-tax income, excluding special items. So what did the APA do? Traded away 2/3 of that profit sharing (10% of the 15% offered) for a small increase in hourly rates. Oops.

Earlier this year, the APA pilots received profit-sharing based on 2013 profits that were equal to about 1.5% of their W-2 earnings. Had they not given away 2/3 of their profit-sharing, they would have received about 4.5% of their W-2 in profit-sharing. For this year, the pilots would have received more like 10% to 12% of their W-2 earnings, but they gave it away. Higher hourly rates are an absolute necessity, but you never give away profit-sharing once it's on the table. Demand pay raises independent of the profit-sharing, but don't trade away the profit-sharing potential.

Now that the combined airline is on track to record profits equal to several billion dollars a year, the APA asks "where's our profit-sharing?" Parker's answer: "You gave it away in 2012."

 

[jimntx]

You have the East group who have a pathological desire to Stockholm into concessions. And the West who have actually turned down a first offer, but really have never seen a decent contract. The first two plus the legacy AA group who have never faced Glass. It isn't looking good.

Ya think?  Surely not.

 

[luvthe9]

Poor Dan. He got his job from Daddy, and now SNAPTHIS has him on a leash. He can't speak until his handlers give permission, and the law office is closed until Monday.

 

[luvthe9]

In 2012, Horton offered profit-sharing to every AA employee in the 1113 term sheets; 15% first-dollar profit-sharing computed on the pre-tax income, excluding special items. So what did the APA do? Traded away 2/3 of that profit sharing (10% of the 15% offered) for a small increase in hourly rates. Oops.Earlier this year, the APA pilots received profit-sharing based on 2013 profits that were equal to about 1.5% of their W-2 earnings. Had they not given away 2/3 of their profit-sharing, they would have received about 4.5% of their W-2 in profit-sharing. For this year, the pilots would have received more like 10% to 12% of their W-2 earnings, but they gave it away. Higher hourly rates are an absolute necessity, but you never give away profit-sharing once it's on the table. Demand pay raises independent of the profit-sharing, but don't trade away the profit-sharing potential.Now that the combined airline is on track to record profits equal to several billion dollars a year, the APA asks "where's our profit-sharing?" Parker's answer: "You gave it away in 2012."

All true. The APA is not very impressive. Their new pal Parker turned on them pretty fast.

 

[A320 Driver]

All true. The APA is not very impressive. Their new pal Parker turned on them pretty fast.

What's your alternative, USAPA? ALPA?

 

[Claxon]

What's your alternative, USAPA? ALPA?

You were probably one of the ones who wanted to stand up to Parker years ago, and voted Cleary in. Then, when he stood up to them you wanted him out like every other east pilot.
Cleary did not give one inch when he was in. Not one. And the Nic was defeated as a result of his resolve.
The west hates him because he stopped the Nic.
The company hated him because he did not give in like Beebe and Pollock.
You would still have your pension had he been in as well.
You will cave on scope and get a substandard contract, again.

 

[luvthe9]

You were probably one of the ones who wanted to stand up to Parker years ago, and voted Cleary in. Then, when he stood up to them you wanted him out like every other east pilot.
Cleary did not give one inch when he was in. Not one. And the Nic was defeated as a result of his resolve.
The west hates him because he stopped the Nic.
The company hated him because he did not give in like Beebe and Pollock.
You would still have your pension had he been in as well.
You will cave on scope and get a substandard contract, again.

No argument here!!

 

[luvthe9]

What's your alternative, USAPA? ALPA?

I'll support the APA and hope they get us close to Delta, but even our leadership says they are pretty dysfunctional, I don't have to much faith in them but you never know.



Sure not as much fun without the westies here, Bet they are back if they get a seat.

 

[traderjake]

It's fun watching JA make a fool of himself on the APA board.

 

[luvthe9]

It's fun watching JA make a fool of himself on the APA board.

Not as much fun as the westies trying to tell the APA how the NIC is it!

 

[Claxon]

Not as much fun as the westies trying to tell the APA how the NIC is it!

That was a running joke here for nearly 10 years.

 

[Claxon]

america west pilots, in their own words, on a video.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpSFvQ-0p2I&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827

As was this.take note American pilots

 

[EastUS1]

america west pilots, in their own words, on a video.

As was this.take note American pilots

 
The AWA pilots have, through their determined efforts, relegated themselves to becoming nothing more than a very small minority of discontents that really aren't much worth wasting further thought on. Their only "addition" to the overall equation amounts to nothing more than bringing a few hundred easily made eager strike breakers to the dance, and perhaps "bringing" a thousand or so pairs of management-signed-knee-pads as well..Just sayin'....Why even give them the time of day at this point? All need only remember that, wherever their "fellow pilots" are concerned, that they will try to "turn them in" if given the slightest chance...Who cares?
 
P.S. I see an immediate minus vote for that. OK, I'll happily challenge the mindless pimple who did so to in ANY way, factually argue against what I posted....? Note the term factually, versus Fantasyland. Let's hear your "reasoned argument" against the many years now of actual observations?...? "Go spartans!"....Perhaps it was the overindulgence in eating, or even just moments wasted considering the AWA tribe, but I suddenly feel a bit nauseous....

 

[EastUS1]

All true. The APA is not very impressive. Their new pal Parker turned on them pretty fast.

 
 
What's been most concerning is their obvious lack of ANY due diligence, in that they were successfully suckered-up into ever fantasizing that the purple-wigged-cross-dresser and gangnham style boys were EVER their "pals", or even could be...How truly "smart" are these people at the APA? It's hardly the case that many years of established history weren't easily available for them to search....? "Their new pal Parker"...? Seriously..their "pal"? How could ANYONE be THAT hopelessly naive/stupid/oblivious/whatever?...Yet they were.
 
In all fairness; who would ever want such as mentioned above to ever be their "pals"?

 

[EastUS1]

 
Arbitration will result in a conessionary contract.  Is there any doubt?

 
As with all you've posted on this nyc = understood, and I generally agree, BUT...you and I are "dinosaurs" soon to be gone. We both fully and properly agreed on never selling our young out to the nic obscenity, no matter what that even potentially cost. I say we leave this decision, if even offered, to those with years yet to go....It ain't like a few coins are going to change our worlds at this point anyway Brother, not that I believe such to be at all of great concern to you either, and methinks it's best to leave those who will have to live with whatever comes for years to figure out which way they'd best go.
 
Sometimes, even the smallest shouts of vive la' revolution can have lasting effects, and none can argue that this current corporate..umm.."culture" is anything short of completely disgusting.
 
Purple wig is a failed and properly washed-out-wannabe from USAF flight school who simply couldn't cut it (small wonder there)...and gangnham boy's a 4-time arrested-outta' control drunk...and both are multi-millionaires off the backs of employees, and it's these type creatures that're telling line pilots that none of us really count for anything, while the very efforts of the employees have produced record level profits in the BILLIONS!....Had enough? If allowed a vote on anything that even remotely contains even an implied concession at this point...put me down for a HELL NO! Scooter can buy more wigs, tights and tutus on his own dime for a change.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgjcyH4Ghk
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Wp-xumQCew