2014 Pilot Discussion

[Claxon]

It's a nice bid. CLT losing some 767 flying to PHL, but overall, a lot of movement.
 
New Group IV Captains: 33
New Group III Captains:   2
New Group II  Captains: 35
New Group I   Captains:   5
 
That's 75 new Captains system wide.
 
Plus adding 78 New-hires...

Leonidas has caused immeasurable harm to the west pilots. They were offered the Nicolau with a date that would be over now. Unbelievable greed and stupidity.
Look at the bids the east pilots keep getting. Unbelievable upward movement.
No wonder SNAPTHIS, Metroyet, Nic4 us and the rest fled. It is embarrassing what they let happen.

 

[EastUS1]

Schultz, on 23 Nov 2014 - 1:28 PM, said: They want 2 hours from the phone call until you get to ops. Not normal driving time.

Not physically possible most of the time.

 
Nonsense gentlemen! What's so unreasonable about that? I mean really; all one need do is buy an RV and live in the employee parking lots! What's the problem?

 

[EastUS1]

By playing negotiation footsie Parker,Glass and company just got around Thanksgiving. One of the busiest travel weeks of the year. The footsie will continue till past Christmas. Then he will pull all the chips off the table. (Pun intended) These guys are so predictable.

 
"These guys are so predictable." Yep.

 

[Phoenix]

What is hiding in the PBS MOU. What was the valuation on that concession?

 

[Claxon]

What is hiding in the PBS MOU. What was the valuation on that concession?

It will be the cheapest possible america west version out there. Bet on it.
I have heard rumors one door of the white van has been located. end of ALPA, true?

 

[Pi brat]

That's how Glass splits the group up, he knows the top 500 east pilots will take anything with some money in it and mind as well throw in some concessions. 14,000 pi$$ed off pilots in January, Who Cares?? They will placate the negotiating committee until January 2 , then file for cost neutral arbitration.

Not sure that's fair to the top 500 east pilots(I'm not one). They stood by and lost a lot of money to fight the Nic.

 

[Claxon]

Not sure that's fair to the top 500 east pilots(I'm not one). They stood by and lost a lot of money to fight the Nic.

Yes they did. Guys like NYC Busdriver and Luvthe9 were right there.
It was an epic battle. The Nic is defeated.
What a fantastic battle. And to think the west could actually have the Nic right at this point in time, with no fences and they said NO.
The bottom seniority group of west pilots ( Ferguson, Vaselino, Koontz, Doyal) crushed the west more senior group. The senior west pilots must look away when they see all those 330s in PHL. And they will not fly them for years to come.

 

[A320 Driver]

The company knows the downside of going to arbitration with the pilots.  Financially, they have nothing to lose, but their credibility in "building the best airline in the world" will go down the tubes for a very, very long time.
 
But, I really don't think the BOD understand the downside for the pilots.  Once in arbitration, the company will come in an place a value/cost (probably inflated) on every little item to be reconciled by the three contracts.  If the arbitrator accepts these values/costs, we could easily end up with an hourly pay rate cut, and quite possibly lose the Delta comparison due on January 1, 2016.  Good cost-neautral luck to us all.

Well let's just call up Parker and Kirby and tell them whatever they want is fine by us. That what you want? Or can you just keep your shirt on a few days and let the process play out before you press the panic button.

 

[EastUS1]

Leonidas has caused immeasurable harm to the west pilots. They were offered the Nicolau with a date that would be over now. Unbelievable greed and stupidity.
Look at the bids the east pilots keep getting. Unbelievable upward movement.
No wonder SNAPTHIS, Metroyet, Nic4 us and the rest fled. It is embarrassing what they let happen.

 
"Unbelievable greed and stupidity."...? Oh hardly. Who could even think such a thing from countless shouts of how "The nic will be crammed down your throats!"...? Let's be fair here. It was, after all, a "righteous" crusade filled to the brim with "Integrity" as I recall, and let us not forget how many times it was promised that "karma" was going to prevail.  Hmm...perhaps at least that last "spartan" promise did actually happen.

 

[AWE Dog]

Not sure that's fair to the top 500 east pilots(I'm not one). They stood by and lost a lot of money to fight the Nic.

Yes they did,and I thank them every time I have flown with one. I used the 500 number as a rough guess of the next 2 years retirements. My guess is that if retirement is in your near future you care more about money now and not worry so much about a 2 hour call out.

 

[Pi brat]

Yes they did,and I thank them every time I have flown with one. I used the 500 number as a rough guess of the next 2 years retirements. My guess is that if retirement is in your near future you care more about money now and not worry so much about a 2 hour call out.

This latest issue has made some interesting twists and turns, with former enemies agreeing and former allies disagreeing.

 

[dariencc]

Yes they did. Guys like NYC Busdriver and Luvthe9 were right there.
 

 
Luvthe9 in the top 500?  How can that be?  Johnny Jurkov assured us that Luv was Courtney.  
 

 
 

It was an epic battle. The Nic is defeated.
 

 
It is indeed. 

 

[fr8tmastr]

  Why do people who have been here all these years think that management give a rats behind what the pilots think about the way  management runs things, or if the pilots think that good will is damaged?
 
As long as the profits are rolling in there is nothing they couldn't care less about than our feelings.  The passengers you ask?   Even less, remember we are all over paid prima donna's, and management did "offer" us industry best hourly rates!!!!  They will not listen when you try to tell them about all contractual losses, as its complicated, takes thought, and again they don't care!
 
If we give up anything for an extra nickel, we will never get it back.  Then when the next downturn happens and it will, terrorists, ebola, super bird flu, stock market crash, etc. They will claim poor us, furlough thousands, outsource more and then get the pay via another LOA like always, perhaps even through the courts.
 
We have record profits and we are only asking for industry standard stuff, all the while the usual suspects are claiming we need to give because its best.  Are you kidding me?
There is a book called Confessions of a Union Buster, I wish more would read it, and apply what you learned to many individuals posting and quoted on these and other boards.  We are in a multi Billion Dollar industry, and people have done a lot more for a lot less.
 
When a union leader starts justifying concessions during the best times ever for the airlines, you might what to look into possible motives.
 
Get ready for a deal (most likely done at the last minute) that isn't "that bad" and besides we get a raise.  Then after the fact when pilots raise heck about the horrible worst in the industry work rules, you will hear..."But you guys wanted a deal"
This works over and over again, unless the pilots hold firm it will happen yet again.

 

[Phoenix]

Why do people who have been here all these years think that management give a rats behind what the pilots think about the way  management runs things, or if the pilots think that good will is damaged?
 
As long as the profits are rolling in there is nothing they couldn't care less about than our feelings.  The passengers you ask?   Even less, remember we are all over paid prima donna's, and management did "offer" us industry best hourly rates!!!!  They will not listen when you try to tell them about all contractual losses, as its complicated, takes thought, and again they don't care!
 
If we give up anything for an extra nickel, we will never get it back.  Then when the next downturn happens and it will, terrorists, ebola, super bird flu, stock market crash, etc. They will claim poor us, furlough thousands, outsource more and then get the pay via another LOA like always, perhaps even through the courts.
 
We have record profits and we are only asking for industry standard stuff, all the while the usual suspects are claiming we need to give because its best.  Are you kidding me?
There is a book called Confessions of a Union Buster, I wish more would read it, and apply what you learned to many individuals posting and quoted on these and other boards.  We are in a multi Billion Dollar industry, and people have done a lot more for a lot less.
 
When a union leader starts justifying concessions during the best times ever for the airlines, you might what to look into possible motives.
 
Get ready for a deal (most likely done at the last minute) that isn't "that bad" and besides we get a raise.  Then after the fact when pilots raise heck about the horrible worst in the industry work rules, you will hear..."But you guys wanted a deal"
This works over and over again, unless the pilots hold firm it will happen yet again.

"But I am overextended and have a 500,000 mortgage to service."

Do I qualify to be a rep?

 

[nevergiveup]

The pilots gave excessive amounts allowing the company to make tremendous profits, yet the company would not even pay the 3%. Quality is not important. The employees are not important. DP will be visited by three spirits on Christmas Eve. Guess what will happen? (This ought to be good)