2014 Pilot Discussion

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Agency Fee Unions are on their way out.  It's only a matter of time. 
http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1121c4d6.pdf



 

 
It mirrors this trend.

 

[Claxon]

Claxon, your inability to use the quote feature properly gives me a chuckle.[/quote

I am glad. Since you find it amusing- here it is again.

 

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It mirrors this trend.

That is why, when the CBA comes up for amendment in 2019 you'll take what you're offered because the APA will not have the clout to support a strike.  PERIOD.

 

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That is why, when the CBA comes up for amendment in 2019 you'll take what you're offered because the APA will not have the clout to support a strike.  PERIOD.

 
I'm glad we found something else to discuss/debate. I think the bigger picture is the trend in unionism in general and the clout that goes along with it.
 

 

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I'm glad we found something else to discuss/debate. I think the bigger picture is the trend in unionism in general and the clout that goes along with it.
 

I believe that, from the unique perspective we have here, the disparity of the "New" APA will contain so many different factions that the company will have no problem keeping our seats filled with pilots.

 

[700UW]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/09/28/american-pilot-leader-america-west-pilots-should-join-seniority-talks/?partner=yahootix
 
Well looks like the Easties will finally have to meet the day of reckoning.
 

 

American Pilot Leader: 'America West Pilots Should Join Seniority Talks'
The first step, said APA President Keith Wilson, is to give the America West pilots a seat at the table, allowing them to present a list and argue in its favor as the in seniority integration discussions.
 
“We will make sure everybody gets a shot,” Wilson said, in an interview. “We have a duty of fair representation, to be sure all the members are equally represented.  We will remain neutral in a lot of ways, but we will sure all members are represented in the arbitration process.”
 

 

[Pi brat]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/09/28/american-pilot-leader-america-west-pilots-should-join-seniority-talks/?partner=yahootix
 
Well looks like the Easties will finally have to meet the day of reckoning.
 

Haven't you kept up? The west gets the chance to argue before a panel that they should have their own merger committee. If they don't get it they will be represented by the USAPA merger committee, so yeah, everyone will be represented.

 

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/09/28/american-pilot-leader-america-west-pilots-should-join-seniority-talks/?partner=yahootix
 
Well looks like the Easties will finally have to meet the day of reckoning.
 
 
 

"It is the arbitrators, not pilot leaders, who make the final determinations, Wilson noted. But he said that what he wants, in the end, is a list that American pilots generally view as fair."
 
And there you have it.  Pilot leaders don't make final determinations.  The BEST reasons why unions are out of step.

 

[traderjake]

If they don't get it they will be represented by the USAPA merger committee, so yeah, everyone will be represented.

 
USAPA?
 
Who's that?
 
A non profit organization that owes me money. 

 

[luvthe9]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/09/28/american-pilot-leader-america-west-pilots-should-join-seniority-talks/?partner=yahootix
 
Well looks like the Easties will finally have to meet the day of reckoning.
 

Need lav service on D 12

 

[luvthe9]

USAPA?
 
Who's that?

The former union you gave been paying dues to for the last 7 years, remember?

 

[Pi brat]

USAPA?
 
Who's that?
 
A non profit organization that owes me money.

I should have said the committee formed by USAPA, huh? It's still there and will be, right?

Do like they did when you owed them money and didn't pay.

 

[nevergiveup]

USAPA?
 
Who's that?
 
A non profit organization that owes me money.

ck your mailbox.

 

[traderjake]

The former union you gave been paying dues to for the last 7 years, remember?

 
Did you and EastUS1 get an early start today?

 

[CactusPilot1]

Haven't you kept up? The west gets the chance to argue before a panel that they should have their own merger committee. If they don't get it they will be represented by the USAPA merger committee, so yeah, everyone will be represented.

You have not kept up. How many times have we gone over this?

"Judge Silver called USAPA’s victory on McCakill-Bond “Pyrrhic” because USAPA, once again driven by its single-minded need to oppress West Pilots, has been the mastermind of its own march towards irrelevance. USAPA took the position that only the certified bargaining agent can determine who can participate in McCaskill-Bond in an effort to prevent West participation. Once again, USAPA did not think through its legal strategy because Judge Silver’s acceptance of that argument means that once USAPA ceases to be a collective bargaining agent it cannot participate in McCakill-Bond or seniority integration. Judge Silver was unequivocal on this point: “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Doc. 298 at pg. 21:11-12."

In the unlikely event that the mini arbitration goes against the West, a non-existent, decertified association WILL NOT be representing the West pilots. Period. Mind your own business, the APA is the only union on this property. Dual unionism will not be allowed.