2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

Give it up.
He won't answer and if he does, he lies. The Nic was not his to offer. If he made such an offer, why did his group of insurgents for a union to avoid the award?

Surely your leadership will do what the membership wants, right.


Subject: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 11:58 PM U-Turn: Taking Responsibility



"Yes, the East offered the NIC. They just wanted to protect their retirement attrition, which stalled by the change in Age-60. Looking back, that offer must look like a home run to any West pilot right now,"



Just can't believe your membership did not want the NIC then but now wants it. It's like your lottery ticket blew out the window, Bottom line you lose, but don't worry you'll get something close to DOH/LOS.

 

[nevergiveup]

I see you avoided the question:
America West had no passenger fatalities between 1983 when it began service and 2005 when it merged with US Airways
us airways..._______
I'm curious as the most Sullied pilot group, superior in their own minds.
Put up the stats, fill in the blank.

I heard that some of your pilots can even fly a tail dragger! You are soooo goood! But you already seem to know that.

 

[Claxon]

EastUS,
I worked in the training dept before your merry band invaded the center in Phoenix and dumbed down the program. The company is data driven. The results have shown some bent metal and scraped tails....East. When something like what happened in Philly, we get "retard" memos thanks to East "aces"
If you are going to challenge the America West Pilot group with your superior airmanship, you had better be prepared to back it up.
I'll go first:
Significant Events Since 1983
for America West
America West had no passenger fatalities between 1983 when it began service and 2005 when it merged with US Airwayshttp://airsafe.com/events/airlines/amw.htm -- Revised: 22 February 2008
When Useless Airways retires it's certificate, provide me the data that shows you can match the record America West Airlines had upon retirement.

SNAPTHIS alter ego. Right up his alley

 

[Claxon]

Give it up.
He won't answer and if he does, he lies. The Nic was not his to offer. If he made such an offer, why did his group of insurgents for a union to avoid the award?

Jurik and Co.
Why did you let Eric, 2004 america west pilot, drive your career into the ditch?

 

[Claxon]

I think you are a pretty level-headed poster, if the other side is going to call us kids, rookies, the stats will speak the truth.

Yes, so slip into your alter ego and let ER rip.....

 

[luvthe9]

SNAPTHIS alter ego. Right up his alley

Also Move2clt, our favorite.

 

[snapthis]

Yes, so slip into your alter ego and let ER rip.....

 
 

Snap, speaking of your army of lyingitas list.
CA 767 PHX is shown for west pilots frequently.  I was not aware that west pilots flew a 767.
 
Your thoughts please?

 
 

This is not a battle of emotions. Your thoughts, Sir....

 
 
Slip into your Phoenix/Nostradamus/MC....
 
Those are my thoughts
 

 

[Claxon]

Slip into your Phoenix/Nostradamus/MC....
 
Those are my thoughts

Again, your thoughts.
USAPA Declaration regarding monies. Nothing on the Army of Lyingitas website.
Your thoughts Move2CLt, SNAPTHIS, Cactus pilot1

 

[snapthis]

Wow, some posters are acting like children, more so than usual. Most folks have already abandoned this web board. It seems to be in its death throws.

 
I'd rather be golfing than here. Scuba gear would be required today in Phoenix.
 
Those are my thoughts, Claxnos

 

[Phoenix]

There is a declaratory judgment filed by USAPA in court, regarding their right to use union funds after decertification. Kristen has no choice but to wait for a court ruling.

The arbitrators will decide if the west gets a seat at the table, this would be a decision that was already decided in court by a DFR and declaratory judgment. All the west butter knife rattling is comical. The west pilots are spectators at the present time.

Claxon

AOL wants you guys to use your cellphone minutes to call the investigator (the low budget alternative to a lawsuit to get your dues back early)... Smart move to save resources, even though they are swimming in money, wink, wink. Cross your fingers and hold your breath.. If you get a merger committee you can drop the rest of your lawsuits (with prejudice) and save even more...

.. Or you can forgo the Merger Committee and stick with "Nic or Nothing" lawsuits.

 

[Claxon]

I look forward to introducing myself, sitting there in your rocking chair in your Bojangles grease covered covered shirt with the buttons about to pop off. Sully- like mustache too right? Will you be taking off all your Usapacrap and putting all that AA bling to blend in?
I'd be embarrassed too.[/quote

Perhaps Doug Parker will schedule a PHX crew news in PHX soon.
We could all stand a good laugh.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Claxon, your inability to use the quote feature properly gives me a chuckle.

 

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STRIKES DON'T WORK!
 
Paris (AFP) - Air France's main pilots' union Sunday announced the end of a crippling, two-week strike held over the development of the airline's low-cost subsidiary.
The SNPL's spokesman Guillaume Schmid told AFP the pilots were ending the protest -- which has cost Air France more than 200 million euros ($250 million) -- so that negotiations over budget carrier Transavia can go ahead "in a calmer climate".

Read more:  http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-air-france-pilots-end-marathon-strike-2014-9#ixzz3EbrTY6hA

 

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Here's the REST of the REAL story:
 
 

 

Air France Pilots Extend Strike After Request for Mediation Is Denied
 
PARIS — A costly strike by Air France pilots appeared ready to continue through the weekend after the French government said that it would not mediate the dispute, which has grounded more than half the airline’s flights for almost two weeks.
“We are at an impasse,” Vincent Fournier, a spokesman for the French National Union of Airline Pilots, which represents nearly three-quarters of Air France pilots, said on Saturday. Mr. Fournier said pilots were “stunned” by the government’s refusal to intervene. With no talks planned during the weekend, he said, union members voted to extend their walkout until at least Tuesday.
Late on Friday, the pilots called for an independent mediator to help break the deadlock after Air France-KLM, the airline’s French-Dutch parent company, said it would scale back the expansion of its low-cost subsidiary, Transavia, in France and the Netherlands. But the company held firm that Transavia pilots would work under a separate contract, rejecting a demand by the union for uniform working conditions and pay scales.
Prime Minister Manuel Valls said there were no grounds for new negotiations with a mediator and again called for an immediate end to the strike.
“The negotiations are finished,” Mr. Valls said in a statement on Friday night. “A solution to end the conflict is on the table. It is up to the pilots to seize it.”
Under its latest proposal, Air France-KLM said it was prepared to hire up to 1,000 new employees for Transavia, including 250 pilots, in the next two to three years and could begin expanding Transavia in France as early as next summer. The plan would add about three dozen new Boeing 737 single-aisle jets to Transavia’s French fleet.
Management said no Air France pilots would be forced to fly for Transavia, where pilots work longer hours for less pay. But it said those who did so would accumulate flight hours — and seniority — more quickly than at Air France, increasing their chances of promotion.
Until now, Air France pilots have characterized management’s insistence on a two-tiered contract as a stealth campaign to cut wages and increase work hours for all its pilots. Management has said Transavia could successfully compete with fast-growing European low-cost rivals without significantly lowering employee compensation.
Air France said it expected to cancel about 55 percent of its flights on Sunday, as slightly more than half of its 3,800 pilots still refused to work.
The walkout by the union began on Sept. 15 after the company announced its plan to make Transavia a leading European budget airline, carrying up to 20 million passengers a year.
The disruption is costing the airline 20 million euros ($25.5 million) a day in losses and has affected the plans of more than half a million travelers.

Correction: September 27, 2014 
A earlier version of this article incorrectly stated the day the French government rejected the French National Union of Airline Pilots’ request for mediation. It was Friday night, not Saturday.


 
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/28/business/international/mediation-denied-pilots-extend-strike-.html?_r=0
 
The Supreme Court, the Administration, Congress and the people have had it with labor here in the US.  EVEN IN NY AND CA!

 

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Agency Fee Unions are on their way out.  It's only a matter of time. 

[SIZE=11pt]"Acceptance of the free-rider argument as a justification for compelling nonmembers to pay a portion of union dues represents something of an anomaly—one that we have found to be justified by the interest in furthering “labor peace.” [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Hudson[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt], 475 U. S., at 303. But it is an anomaly nevertheless. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]Similarly, requiring objecting nonmembers to opt out of paying the nonchargeable portion of union dues—as opposed to exempting them from making such payments unless they opt in—represents a remarkable boon for unions. Courts “do not presume acquiescence in the loss of fundamental rights.” [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]College Savings Bank [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]v. [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Florida Prepaid Postsecondary Ed. Expense Bd., [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]527 U. S. 666, 682 (1999) (internal quotation marks omitted). Once it is recognized, as our cases have, that a nonmember cannot be forced to fund a union’s political or ideological activities, what is the justification for putting the burden on the nonmember to opt out of making such a payment?" [/SIZE]
 

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/11pdf/10-1121c4d6.pdf