2014 Pilot Discussion

[Freighterguynow]

Follow me to the Hacienda in LA and find out on 9/29. Bring pizza. I hear you are good at that.

American Airlines lapel pin - check
American Airlines tie pin - check
American Airlines luggage tags - check
American Airlines ID lanyard - check
American Airlines license place holder - check
APA is my union luggage tags ( bonus for multiple tags per bag ) - check

OK applicant, good to go.

 

[Res Judicata]

I just love how the Westoff Scabs think they know it all. Hey Resoff you are wrong about the 9. Keep pounding your chest scab. LMFAO. Oh by the way, we already won idiots.

Won? HA!!! You bet scab. Losing over a billion dollars in w2 income only to have Nic on steroids shoved up your ass. Sure...."Winning!!!!!"

America West should have let you scabs drown in your cess pool airline.

 

[luvthe9]

Won? HA!!! You bet scab. Losing over a billion dollars in w2 income only to have Nic on steroids shoved up your ass. Sure...."Winning!!!!!"
America West should have let you scabs drown in your cess pool airline.

Hawks right, you'll see soon, it's a shame PROJECT ZANIBAR did not go through.

 

[luvthe9]

Note: this statement originally appeared on StopPolygraph.com.

Polygraph Statement of Mr. Mark C. Doyal

I had always wanted to be an FBI agent. With that singular goal in mind, I enrolled in Southwest Texas State University in the fall of 1988. My major was Law Enforcement with a minor in Economics. I graduated in December 1990 and I took the written FBI exam that next January. I passed and was scheduled for an interview in March of 1991. The interview went great and I achieved a perfect score. However, the FBI determined that I needed more experience and informed me to re-apply in two years. I immediately took the Law School Admissions Test and applied to South Texas College of Law in Houston, Texas. I was excepted for the class beginning in January 1991. I was fortunate in that I was able to obtain employment on a full time basis with the Harris County District Attorney's Office - Economic Crime Division. I remember my new boss asking me after he interviewed me what I planned on achieving with a law career. I immediately responded that I wanted a career with the FBI. Everyone who I met knew that that was my goal.

Working full time for the District Attorney while attending law school at night was tough, but I knew I had to get the right kind of experience and education to make myself the best possible candidate for the FBI. Upon graduation from law school (Dec. 1994), I re-applied with the FBI. I was scheduled to take the written exam on a Monday following the Bar exam. I again passed the written exam and had to wait to be selected for the interview. I wrote letters nearly every month to the applicant coordinator asking to be interviewed and explaining what I was doing each month. Finally, I was selected to be interviewed in Kansas City in July of 1996. Seven of us in our region were selected to go, but only two of us passed the interview process. Myself and another girl. I was on top of the world, knowing that I was about to realize my dream.

The polygraph exam was next, August 7, 1996, in San Antonio, Texas. I knew I had nothing to worry about, since I had never violated the FBI's drug policy and I had not lied on my application. The agent administering the polygraph noted during the pre- polygraph interview that I had attended a university that he believed was a "party school" and that I needed to tell him what drugs I used when I went there. I stated that I had taken none, that I didn't live on campus, I lived in another city, and that I was an older student and wasn't influenced to do such things. He repeated that that couldnít be the case and told me again to tell him what illegal drugs I had done. I countered again that that just wasn't the case and that I was telling the truth. This went back and forth for about 10 minutes and he seemed to be getting upset that I wouldnít admit to taking drugs. Finally he stated that if I was lying he was about to find out. I was upset at the unbelievable accusations he was making. Up until that point I had been treated with the utmost professionalism by the FBI staff, now I was being treated like an accused criminal. After the polygraph was over, he told me I had failed. I almost passed out in disbelief

I wrote several letters to FBI Director Freeh, and in October of 1996 I was polygraphed again, by another agent with the first agent who polygraphed me present. The results were the same, he told me I had failed. I just could not believe it. I had not lied on the polygraph. Even the first agent that had polygraphed me told me as I was leaving that he now believed me, that I was telling the truth. I wrote the Director several more times to no avail, my application was terminated in November of that year. My dreams were shattered.

Finally, as a side note, I later applied with the Secret Service. I did just as well in the testing and interview stages as I had with the FBI. When it came time for the polygraph, the agent administering it asked me if I had been polygraphed before. I told him yes, and under what circumstances and the results. He thanked me for my honesty, unhooked me from the polygraph without testing me and told me that he would have to contact his superiors for their advice. I could not believe it. Two months later I received a form letter stating that I was no longer competitive with the other agent applicants. I am a licensed attorney, professional pilot, have law enforcement experience and with top scores but I was not competitive? Obviously I had been "black balled" by the erroneous polygraph results from the FBI.

I will probably always be effected by the injustice of what happened. I wrote a final letter to Director Freeh this summer asking for another polygraph. I even offered to pay all expenses associated with retaking it if I were to fail. I guess I still haven't accepted that you can fail a polygraph while telling the truth. Or the fact that the FBI could make this kind of mistake. I had always looked up to that agency as the pinnacle of professionalism. I received the same form letter back that I had received almost two years earlier. It is a shame, since all I wanted to do was to have a chance to serve my country and make my family proud.



Sincerely,



Mark C. Doyal

 

[Claxon]

Did you read this little tidbit, Bean?
In any case nothing was any surprise, other than perhaps APA naming our favorite arbitrator on their list of acceptable arbitrators for the SLI. USAPA says this was a easy way for APA to force USAPA to burn a strike. That may be. BUT consider also that it is also perhaps APA also stating that his methodology as fair, If not I doubt they would have risked naming him.

Quite the risk taken Spinthis. As much risk as someone asking Mike Cleary to be on the west merger committee with a strike available.
APA pilots absolutely would love to place west narrow body one base 2004 hires up with their 777 drivers. Dream on.

 

[CactusPilot1]

I just love how the Westoff Scabs think they know it all. Hey Resoff you are wrong about the 9. Keep pounding your chest scab. LMFAO. Oh by the way, we already won idiots.

GFY

 

[CactusPilot1]

Quite the risk taken Spinthis. As much risk as someone asking Mike Cleary to be on the west merger committee with a strike available.
APA pilots absolutely would love to place west narrow body one base 2004 hires up with their 777 drivers. Dream on.

Who is Mike Cleary? Hey Res, you know who Mike Cleary is?

 

[nevergiveup]

Won? HA!!! You bet scab. Losing over a billion dollars in w2 income only to have Nic on steroids shoved up your ass. Sure...."Winning!!!!!"

America West should have let you scabs drown in your cess pool airline.

The west knew that a contract was required to get the Nic. They knew there was a chance that would not happen. Their greed killed all chances of it ever happening. I have zero sympathy....zero! They blew it and they know it. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Don't count your chicke........oh, they're too young to understand that one. 

 

[prechilill]

The west knew that a contract was required to get the Nic. They knew there was a chance that would not happen. Their greed killed all chances of it ever happening. I have zero sympathy....zero! They blew it and they know it. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Don't count your chicke........oh, they're too young to understand that one. 

 
Ok.  But my tie is about to get me 1985 seniority.  I kinda like that!  A330s baby!!!!

 

[im back..!!]

Ok.  But my tie is about to get me 1985 seniority.  I kinda like that!  A330s baby!!!!

Love it.....I want a super seniority tie....!

We could all have one, and all be number one one bidding day. We woulda all get our first choice and Christmas off..

Oh, wait, only the kids in diapers when romper room was on TV understand this....

Ahh, maybe I'm on to something?

 

[Crzipilot]

I like how the members in good standing must vote to bring in the new members.   Hmmmmmmm.....is there anyone in the 1100 PHX domiciled pilots not about to get voted in?
 
"It is not trite to say that your vote truly counts in exercising this membership responsibility."
 
Maybe they have an idea of what they are about to allow to come into their fold?!?!?!? 

 

[Claxon]

 
Ok.  But my tie is about to get me 1985 seniority.  I kinda like that!  A330s baby!!!!

There are a few procedural steps that must be accomplished by your tie before you receive your 1985 seniority.
 
[SIZE=10pt]"PRELIMINARY ARBITRATION PANEL SELECTION [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The USAPA Merger Committee, the APA and the Company have selected Stephen Crable, Shyam Das, and Joshua Javits to serve as the three-member Preliminary Arbitration Panel established under the seniority integration Protocol Agreement to determine any application by a committee seeking the right to represent former America West pilots separately from the USAPA Merger Committee in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process among the pilots of American Airlines and US Airways.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Each arbitrator has considerable experience in labor arbitration, including arbitrations covered under the Railway Labor Act.[/SIZE] Stephen Crable is a former Chief of Staff of the National Mediation Board, Arbitrator Das was President of the National Academy of Arbitrators in 2013 and has served on Presidential Emergency Boards under the Railway Labor Act, and Joshua Javits is a former member of the National Mediation Board. Each of the arbitrators has agreed to serve. Click below for the biographical information, as maintained by the National Mediation Board, for each of the three impartial arbitrators.
[SIZE=10pt]Stephen Crable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Shyam Das[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Joshua Javits[/SIZE]"

 

[Phoenix]

There are a few procedural steps that must be accomplished by your tie before you receive your 1985 seniority.
 
[SIZE=10pt]"PRELIMINARY ARBITRATION PANEL SELECTION [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The USAPA Merger Committee, the APA and the Company have selected Stephen Crable, Shyam Das, and Joshua Javits to serve as the three-member Preliminary Arbitration Panel established under the seniority integration Protocol Agreement to determine any application by a committee seeking the right to represent former America West pilots separately from the USAPA Merger Committee in the Seniority List Integration (SLI) process among the pilots of American Airlines and US Airways.[/SIZE]
 
[SIZE=10pt]Each arbitrator has considerable experience in labor arbitration, including arbitrations covered under the Railway Labor Act.[/SIZE] Stephen Crable is a former Chief of Staff of the National Mediation Board, Arbitrator Das was President of the National Academy of Arbitrators in 2013 and has served on Presidential Emergency Boards under the Railway Labor Act, and Joshua Javits is a former member of the National Mediation Board. Each of the arbitrators has agreed to serve. Click below for the biographical information, as maintained by the National Mediation Board, for each of the three impartial arbitrators.
[SIZE=10pt]Stephen Crable[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Shyam Das[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Joshua Javits[/SIZE]"

 
 
Any Merger Committee that participates in the SLI Arbitration, pursuant to the Protocol Agreement, will necessarily, by definition, admit, concede, and consent to the Status Quo items enumerated in the same Protocol Agreement.  The three lists are not in dispute and are not up for arbitration.  Anyone who wishes to argue the Status Quo is incorrect, unfair, or illegal will be making frivolous arguments at best, and pissing off the arbitrators at worst. 
 
I don't think the Status Quo in the Protocol Agreement includes a 1985 DOH for Pre, and I am sure it doesn't include an A330... not even after s/he bought a Liberty Necktie.    

 

[Claxon]

 
 
Any Merger Committee that participates in the SLI Arbitration, pursuant to the Protocol Agreement, will necessarily, by definition, admit, concede, and consent to the Status Quo of the same Protocol Agreement.  The three lists are not in dispute and are not up for arbitration.  Anyone who wishes to argue the Status Quo is incorrect, unfair, or illegal will be making frivolous arguments at best, and pissing off the arbitrators at worst. 
 
I don't think the Status Quo in the Protocol Agreement includes a 1985 DOH for Pre, and I am sure it doesn't include an A330... not even after s/he bought a Liberty Necktie.    

I also believe the validity of the west pilots offering a list of pilots, as 767 pilots based in PHX, may come into question.

 

[Phoenix]

Evidence for contesting the Status Quo....
 
If you look closely you can see Camel Back in the background (obviously a PHX based America West asset)...
 
...and look a little closer you can see a pilot in the right seat who has Ansett experience!!