2014 Pilot Discussion

[exB717Flyer]

Will the West lawyers now make another couple million because the West pilots have no idea what "undisputed status quo" means?

 
Your concern for our fiscal well-being is so touching.  I just got my settlement check from the TWA v. ALPA DFR suit and a portion will go to the Leonidas lawyers to fight the USAPA scum. 
Please keep on giving us more legal and monetary advice!

 

[Phoenix]

 
Your concern for our fiscal well-being is so touching.  I just got my settlement check from the TWA v. ALPA DFR suit and a portion will go to the Leonidas lawyers to fight the USAPA scum. 
Please keep on giving us more legal and monetary advice!

 
 
I showed no concern for your fiscal well-being.  I don't care what you do with your money.  
 
Its your money, but the West "legal team" (whatever that is) ought not sell false hopes by leading people along with failed legal premises.  Let's forget about the "implicit assumption" strategy that cost millions... Now the West is hoping to alter the three-list "status quo" in the contract.  The arbitration panel will not acknowledge any whining that the three-list status quo is unfair.  The status quo is a given.  It is necessarily fair (and thanks to West donations there is a pile of legal evidence that demonstrates that!).  The three-list status quo is not disputed and won't be an arbitration issue, no matter how much money is poured into a bottomless pit.  
 
People can have their own opinions about things, but when people collect money with an inferred promise yet hide behind an LLC protection...  Whatever.  Donate away.  
 
Congratulations on the TWA ALPA DFR.  Seriously.  Spend your winnings however you wish.
 
Good luck with all your legal journeys!  May they be very, very long... or short.  Whatever you want!

 

[Freighterguynow]

Your concern for our fiscal well-being is so touching.  I just got my settlement check from the TWA v. ALPA DFR suit and a portion will go to the Leonidas lawyers to fight the USAPA scum. 
Please keep on giving us more legal and monetary advice!

Mind sharing how much. I've heard from $ 100 to $ 1000 but the named dozen got $10,000 plus.

 

[CactusPilot1]

Sept 23 what is the significance of that now ?

I'm not aware of anything that's changed regarding those dates so what's your point?

 

[end_of_alpa]

Mind sharing how much. I've heard from $ 100 to $ 1000 but the named dozen got $10,000 plus.

A Benjamin is all.

 

[luvthe9]

If the APA is so intent on giving the West a seat at the arbitration table, why didn't the APA just give them the seat?   Why instead did the APA negotiate a requirement for the West to submit their dream to a preliminary arbitration....
 
If you believe USAPA is not legally allowed to use the remaining funds for SLI integration, why did the APA effectively negotiate a provision in the Protocol Agreement that acknowledges USAPA has a legal right to do so?   
 
When is the APA going to start liberating the oppressed West?  
 
Wouldn't now be a good time for APA to meet West expectations?  
 
"Good luck fellas."

We might see a preliminary SLI out next month to look over, apparently the APA and USAPA have been working on one from early on, should be interesting.

 

[CactusPilot1]

We might see a preliminary SLI out next month to look over, apparently the APA and USAPA have been working on one from early on, should be interesting.

I'm glad you are wasting your time and not dealing with the more pressing deadline. Yes, it should be interesting.
Keep moving those chairs around kiddo!

 

[PullUp]

Open question 'cause I'm just curious: If there is a negotiated SLI agreed to by APA and USAPA, there is no need for arbitrators and no need for west participation, correct?
Thanks and cheers.

 

[WNMECH]

Open question 'cause I'm just curious: If there is a negotiated SLI agreed to by APA and USAPA, there is no need for arbitrators and no need for west participation, correct?
Thanks and cheers.

The way I see it is, if the west gets standing from the preliminary arbitration (to have their own MC), then they can force the SLI to arbitration under MB.

 

[Phoenix]

Open question 'cause I'm just curious: If there is a negotiated SLI agreed to by APA and USAPA, there is no need for arbitrators and no need for west participation, correct?
Thanks and cheers.

 
 
The million dollar question is what APA fears most....
 
Do they fear a lawsuit for a DFR that could go on for years, or do they have a greater fear of the uncertainty of an SLI arbitration panel, which Uncle Bob warned them about?
 
DFR?.. the ALPA TWA DFR lawsuit just killed the APA <sarcasm>)
And does anyone remember the disaster that happened to the APA the last time they submitted their SLI to an arbitrator?  Bueller?  Bueller?  
 
The APA will have to decide soon, because once the Preliminary Arbitration panel convenes to consider a West Merger Committee, there is a risk that all opportunity for negation will go bye bye.  USAPA and APA have shown an ability to negotiate and avoid endless and harmful litigation.  AOL has never demonstrated such an ability.  

 

[WNMECH]

 
 
The million dollar question is what APA fears most....
 
Do they fear a lawsuit for a DFR that could go on for years, or do they have a greater fear of the uncertainty of an SLI arbitration panel, which Uncle Bob warned them about?
 
DFR?.. the ALPA TWA DFR lawsuit just killed the APA <sarcasm>)
And does anyone remember the disaster that happened to the APA the last time they submitted their SLI to an arbitrator?  Bueller?  Bueller?  
 
The APA will have to decide soon, because once the Preliminary Arbitration panel convenes to consider a West Merger Committee, there is a risk that all opportunity for negation will go bye bye.  USAPA and APA have shown an ability to negotiate and avoid endless and harmful litigation.  AOL has never demonstrated such an ability.  

The APA has already agreed to have Preliminary Arbitration panel decide on a west MC.
You think they will go back on that and try to settle it before a Preliminary Arbitration panel can convene?
Now that is DFR.

 

[Phoenix]

The way I see it is, if the west gets standing from the preliminary arbitration (to have their own MC), then they can force the SLI to arbitration under MB.

Yes, and now that the Preliminary Arbitration Panel has been selected, the West MC issue could be heard and decided by the end of November, long before AOL's appeal at the 9th even gets rolling.  

 

[Phoenix]

The APA has already agreed to have Preliminary Arbitration panel decide on a west MC.
You think they will go back on that and try to settle it before a Preliminary Arbitration panel can convene?
Now that is DFR.

 
I don't think the APA fears a DFR more than an SLI Arbitration, but they just may be smart enough to get past both.  
 
AOL should consider the possibility that the "gift" of the Preliminary Arbitration panel may be a Trojan Horse.   Even so, AOL's only hope at this point is that a panel of three arbitrators will grant them a seat even though the court ruled they are not entitled to one.  
 
IMHO, AOL can't reject the opportunity to gamble, but they need to go in with eyes wide open.  The threats of DFR will completely evaporate when the Prelim Panel decides, regardless of how they decide.  And once the threat of DFR is no longer viable (some would say that already happened in Silver's court), they have no leverage at all in any SLI negotiation or arbitration.
 
The good news is that either way it goes, AOL's appeal at the 9th won't matter anymore and they can save some legal expenses!!

 

[luvthe9]

I'm glad you are wasting your time and not dealing with the more pressing deadline. Yes, it should be interesting.
Keep moving those chairs around kiddo!

Deadlines can always be extended, you'll learn.

 

[WNMECH]

 
I don't think the APA fears a DFR more than an SLI Arbitration, but they just may be smart enough to get past both.  
 
AOL should consider the possibility that the "gift" of the Preliminary Arbitration panel may be a Trojan Horse.   Even so, AOL's only hope at this point is that a panel of three arbitrators will grant them a seat even though the court ruled they are not entitled to one.  
 
IMHO, AOL can't reject the opportunity to gamble, but they need to go in with eyes wide open.  The threats of DFR will completely evaporate when the Prelim Panel decides, regardless of how they decide.  And once the threat of DFR is no longer viable (some would say that already happened in Silver's court), they have no leverage at all in any SLI negotiation or arbitration.
 
The good news is that either way it goes, AOL's appeal at the 9th won't matter anymore and they can save some legal expenses!!

I believe that the APA will let the west's fate be determined by the Preliminary Arbitration panel.
If the west isn't granted standing for a MC, the game is over.
The APA and USAPA MCs will agree to a SLI out of arbitration and the west will be screwed.
 
Everything hinges on the decision of Preliminary Arbitration panel for the west.
Everything.
 
The west cant come back and argue against an arbitration ruling. Not after 7 years of claiming integrity matters and arbitration is final and binding.
 
The west better bring their "A" game to the Preliminary Arbitration.
 
 
 
Now yall get back to posting funny videos and calling each other names.