2014 Pilot Discussion

[mrbreeze]

I'm not funding yours, laughing my A$$ off

Why are you laughing when you probably can't even fund yourselves? USAPA is not the one trying to sell more ties.

 

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Leonidas Update September 12, 2014
 
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September 4th APA, American Airlines and USAPA produced the Protocol Agreement to set the rules that will govern the seniority single list integration. The company and our future union, APA, agreed to this Protocol, despite admonitions from Judge Silver expressing concerns over USAPA’s ability to truly represent the West pilots. APA and American Airlines should exercise extreme caution when dealing with USAPA, since their word or agreements cannot be trusted. The Protocol Agreement, PA, recognizes USAPA’s merger committee even after USAPA is decertified. Meanwhile, West pilots are forced to arbitrate whether or not we will have our own merger committee representation. The Protocol Agreement itself is evidence that USAPA’s interests are diametrically opposed to ours. The events of the last eight years highlight the distinction between legal and ethics. There is no other way to describe a system that provides cover for USAPA to collect dues from the very group they attempt to oppress. There is a level of disappointment however when USAPA is aided by management and our future collective bargaining agent. Although we are forced to play by their rules, West pilots have reason for optimism. The West pilots, represented by Jeff Freund and Marty Harper, are optimistic about the outcome of the “first” arbitration confirming APA’s right to appoint a West Merger Committee. The next several months should be quite busy for our West Merger Committee, requiring an incredible amount of effort within a compressed time schedule outlined in the PA. The timely expansion of the West Merger Committee is coupled with the PA completion As per the PA, the West Pilots Merger Committee sent within the time constraints of the PA, aletter requesting party status and for APA to appoint the West Pilots Class Representatives selected West Merger Committee. The appalling idea that USAPA leadership believes it has the right to use OUR dues money after decertification goes along with the unethical delusion USAPA has had since the summer of 2007. Our legal team is and will be exploring all options available to impact USAPA’s ability after decertification to withhold returning to the pilots their unused dues or USAPA’s ability to use West Pilots’ pro-rated share of their dues against us. A letter is being sent to USAPA and its elected officials addressing these issues. Based on past behavior, USAPA plans on becoming a quasi “Kiwanis Club”, some sort of private, unincorporated association bound by the laws of the State of North Carolina to somehow further obstruct the American Airlines, APA, and West Merger committees. Funds needed for the first arbitration and then the ISL representation is another issue that we must contend with, given that all other parties have funds that should be authorized for the West Merger Committee work, subject matter experts, advisors, arbitrators and our legal counsel. Make no mistake, our adversaries over the past seven years have expected us to fail, fold or quit over the need to fund the West Pilots’ endeavor of securing a Binding Arbitrator seniority list. This places the West Pilots at a severe disadvantage in a process that is supposed to be fair. However, as our legal team makes every effort to secure funds that should be rightfully ours, we know that the West Pilots can and will do what it takes to finish the job. We have been left to fend for ourselves over the past nine years and look forward to the day when we are neither caught between a hostile union and a complacent company. We have shown true unity, a true quality lacking in our profession as in society as well. Be proud to be part of the unified West Pilots as we “Push” toward the finish line.

 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/APA_Pres-Wilson.pdf

Go look in the mirror. The person looking back at you is the only one to blame and threaten.

Enjoy your careers.

 

[luvthe9]

One other thing Luv, crawl back under your rock. Nice try trying to stir up crap with the AA/TWA guys and the West pilots. FAIL!

So sorry son but regardless of what you guys may think the APA is well aware of all your anti-union antics. How will you answer the last question on their application?



........."One of the four Leonidas LLC directors is apparently now employed as an American Airlines pilot;\

Having Kevin Horner associated in any way with this DFR only hurts the effort. How can he adequately meet the fiduciary requirements to fairly represent the class? Our sources have told us that Kevin Horner’s current union, the APA, is furious with him for his participation in a DFR suit against another union."

 

[luvthe9]

Go look in the mirror. The person looking back at you is the only one to blame and threaten.
Enjoy your careers.

SoinThis, take responsibility !!!!


"Our former MEC and our union leadership played a very high stakes game of poker by not dealing at Wye River. Freund was right, we were risking everything…..and right now, it looks like we lost. They need to take responsibility for that."

 

[Claxon]

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you come up with that crap? Your imaginary friends? SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Sheesh!

The west children are now playing games at other levels with jumpseaters. It is usually the entitled Gen X attempting to lecture east riders, and insisting no luggage be allowed.
767 Jetzz, your comments on your fellow west employees? How many carry multiple positions on multiple seniority lists as you do? Expect more tantrums from the west angry f/o group.
Ex B717, Metroyet, O Neill. Your comments?

 

[Claxon]

767Jetzz pretended to be a independent UAL pilot.
He held an america west number as well. He fled to the west again when he got slammed to the hurt locker of the UA-CO list.

Ex717flyer, Metroyet,767Jetzz and others pretend to not be west pilots. Kevin Horner is the biggest imposter.
Metroyet has large numbers of APA members watching his every move. They regard him in the same light as Traitor.

 

[mrbreeze]

The west children are now playing games at other levels with jumpseaters. It is usually the entitled Gen X attempting to lecture east riders, and insisting no luggage be allowed.

I am not surprised.....the west kids are desperate.
breeze

 

[Claxon]

Fair warning American Pilots, Allied Pilots Association and the company, from the army of lyingitas, awappa, Addington class, west self appointed merger reps, marty, andy and freund, their soon to be pro bono advisers.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/APA_Pres-Wilson.pdf

 

[EastUS1]

Fair warning American Pilots, Allied Pilots Association and the company, from the army of lyingitas, awappa, Addington class, west self appointed merger reps, marty, andy and freund, their soon to be pro bono advisers.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/APA_Pres-Wilson.pdf

 
While I rather doubt the APA folks lose any sleep over the fate of the PHX "spartans", much less consider them a threat; I'm certain they're far less than impressed with their antics. AWA!...A prouder history of scabbing's tough to find, and John M (on his kneepads, tugging and licking at "Doug's" sleeve) "Ooh! Ooh! Mr. CEO? I saw east pilots actually having BOTH engines running on the ground! Should I turn them in!?..Can I? Pretty please, can I?". Their pathetic behavior as the company sought a court injunction against ALL our pilots, their disgustingly clueless, and completely juvenile glee at management's "fuel school" attempts to micro-manage cockpits from afar, etc, ad nausem/ad infinitem.
 
One has to just laugh at the very vision of some of the "Integrity Matters" T-shirted crowd even trying to answer a question about scabbing. I can only hope, though I doubt it, that the APA's actually serious about that, since I'd think a few worthless swine from at least the Ansett scabbing must still be infesting the AWA community, and such "fine people" we'd all be better off without.

 

[EastUS1]

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you come up with that crap? Your imaginary friends? SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Sheesh!

 
Speaking of "imaginary friends" and people who should properly "SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP": I'll simply leave you "lords and ladies", "knights", whatever to further contemplate that thought...although it goes without saying that it should first be run by the self-styled "supreme commander" of your supposed "army" of "spartans",  of course:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7lgU3J5seA&list=PL21C1C7D32B996827
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT8H9smpK3U&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 

[Claxon]

An america west management pilot in PHX accesses a US Airways company computer in their headquarters and copies a disk of personal information of all the US Airways East pilots and hands it over to west pilot Rico defendants. 
 
The companies internal investigation did not find fault, due to their legal exposure and possible bad company pr.
 
The west pilots video defending their actions:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfZ_8rqg_iQ&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 

[EastUS1]

An america west management pilot in PHX accesses a US Airways company computer in their headquarters and copies a disk of personal information of all the US Airways East pilots and hands it over to west pilot Rico defendants. 
 
The companies internal investigation did not find fault, due to their legal exposure and possible bad company pr.
 
The west pilots video defending their actions:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfZ_8rqg_iQ&list=PL5DCDEE4D2ADA2659

 
"..our three martyrs..." Seriously? Whew! I hadn't realized that they must have been summarily executed even after their loss of a month's pay! "..our three martyrs"...If those weren't words from a "knight" who's "fought" in so many "battles"...Well, one would almost just have to shake his head and laugh.
 
P.S. Perhaps my disrespect's wholly inappropriate, since it seems, by yet another impresive and "heroically" worn T-shirt, that I was slandering an actual "Agent of Leonidas". Mea culpa...What was I thinking?

 

[EastUS1]

What the hell are you talking about? Where do you come up with that crap? Your imaginary friends? SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Sheesh!

 
Would you care to further explore the kindly thought of "PROFESSIONAL HELP" for those clearly in actual need of such Cactus? I've some suggestions to consider, but sadly and historically;  it's extremely difficult to induce adult consciousness and approriate behaviors into most patients beyond the age of at best 30, who've previously lived their whole lives as children.
 
It's generally the case that some hugely traumatic event's required to even begin the process. Who knows here. Perhaps just the loss of the nic gift might serve for some of you as a fulcrum point for personal change, and there might yet be hope. Best wishes...

 

[CactusPilot1]

I am not surprised.....the west kids are desperate.
breeze

And you will look like CLOWNS when the NMB rules
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[traderjake]

 
"..our three martyrs..." Seriously? Whew! I hadn't realized that they must have been summarily executed even after their loss of a month's pay! "..our three martyrs"...If those weren't words from a "knight" who's "fought" in so many "battles"...Well, one would almost just have to shake his head and laugh.
 
P.S. Perhaps my disrespect's wholly inappropriate, since it seems, by yet another impresive and "heroically" worn T-shirt, that I was slandering an actual "Agent of Leonidas". Mea culpa...What was I thinking?