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Barrister said:
Ahh shouldn't it be LMAO ???
Nicdoa
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Actually I think he meant what he said.
LMOA... "Lickin My(his) On A$$"

I assume that's what that means..?

Wasn't he correcting someone on proof reading? Oh, maybe he is typing "Plowed"...
 
Didnt America West have that Captain who wore the Engineers cap and blow a Train Whistle before making his Welcome Aboard announcement????? 
 
APA pilots slowly realizing the personal danger to them of Nic Award.
They were slow to the game, but will not disappoint.
 
This is why the APA can't stand the AWA pilot group, what a sense of entitlement.







Apparently, someone had his button pushed by an AWA Pilot

From: To: Sent: 9/11/2014 12:38:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Fwd: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick


Sent: 9/10/2014 4:43:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick

As cut and paste from APA C&R

Adam (current AW with a second number at TWA/AA)

You are clueless!

It's classic; you and Patrick on on here spouting about the Nic award!

I WANT THE NIC AWARD FOR MY FEB 1999 hire date at TWA. I am not getting it, nor do I expect to reshuffle any lists. But the fact that you guys think you should be 'ratio'd in' a few thousand numbers higher than your AA numbers is sickening! Get real dude!

I have several very good friends at AWA; however, the truth is that the 'West' side brings (by far) the least to the dance by a mile! You guys bring a bunch of old narrow bodies, a youthful pilot list; a worthless Phoenix base (which is HALF RJs) and will be the first on the chopping block!

You both still have numbers at AA. Your true 'career expectations' at AA now are MUCH BETTER than your lowly expectations ever were at Am West. AWA brings NOTHING compared to the value TWA brought. Unfortunately all the TWA value was squandered by a pathetic management!

But the reality........the fact that you think you should leapfrog a couple thousand of your AA brothers because of the Nic award is gross. Even if you guys get the Nic award.......your AWA numbers (from your 2003 hire dares) should be BELOW every AA pilot, (with the exception of the last year of recent new hires!

Now if apa is going to actually represent the bottom 50% of the AA list is another story.

I would say give you 'Westies' the Nic award and ratio you in with your 'super seniority.' However, you all need to stay LOCKED IN to PHX for the long haul; and all growth or shrinkage of Phoenix is all on your shoulders; not the pilots of AA!

I can't even believe that you guys are even getting any consideration in discussions at all! We (bottom dwellers of AA) have been so fucked and stagnated our entire careers! We FINALLY have some movement and a little potential as far as career expectations.........and our America West 'brothers' feel they have a 'right' to our progression! I think you guys are going to have one hell of a hard time convincing this to an arbitrator!

Good luck! You are going to need it.

The good news for you guys with both seniority numbers is that you get to wait and see what happens and then decide which seniority number you want.

As far as wanting your rightful 'Nic award' at my expense, or at the expense of all my brothers who have been screwed since we all got furloughed back in 2002........piss off!
 
Leonidas Update September 12, 2014
 
.

September 4th APA, American Airlines and USAPA produced the Protocol Agreement to set the rules that will govern the seniority single list integration. The company and our future union, APA, agreed to this Protocol, despite admonitions from Judge Silver expressing concerns over USAPA’s ability to truly represent the West pilots. APA and American Airlines should exercise extreme caution when dealing with USAPA, since their word or agreements cannot be trusted. 

The Protocol Agreement, PA, recognizes USAPA’s merger committee even after USAPA is decertified. Meanwhile, West pilots are forced to arbitrate whether or not we will have our own merger committee representation. The Protocol Agreement itself is evidence that USAPA’s interests are diametrically opposed to ours. The events of the last eight years highlight the distinction between legal and ethics. There is no other way to describe a system that provides cover for USAPA to collect dues from the very group they attempt to oppress. There is a level of disappointment however when USAPA is aided by management and our future collective bargaining agent. 

Although we are forced to play by their rules, West pilots have reason for optimism. The West pilots, represented by Jeff Freund and Marty Harper, are optimistic about the outcome of the “first” arbitration confirming APA’s right to appoint a West Merger Committee. The next several months should be quite busy for our West Merger Committee, requiring an incredible amount of effort within a compressed time schedule outlined in the PA. The timely expansion of the West Merger Committee is coupled with the PA completion 

As per the PA, the West Pilots Merger Committee sent within the time constraints of the PA, aletter requesting party status and for APA to appoint the West Pilots Class Representatives selected West Merger Committee. 

The appalling idea that USAPA leadership believes it has the right to use OUR dues money after decertification goes along with the unethical delusion USAPA has had since the summer of 2007. Our legal team is and will be exploring all options available to impact USAPA’s ability after decertification to withhold returning to the pilots their unused dues or USAPA’s ability to use West Pilots’ pro-rated share of their dues against us. A letter is being sent to USAPA and its elected officials addressing these issues. Based on past behavior, USAPA plans on becoming a quasi “Kiwanis Club”, some sort of private, unincorporated association bound by the laws of the State of North Carolina to somehow further obstruct the American Airlines, APA, and West Merger committees. 

Funds needed for the first arbitration and then the ISL representation is another issue that we must contend with, given that all other parties have funds that should be authorized for the West Merger Committee work, subject matter experts, advisors, arbitrators and our legal counsel. Make no mistake, our adversaries over the past seven years have expected us to fail, fold or quit over the need to fund the West Pilots’ endeavor of securing a Binding Arbitrator seniority list. This places the West Pilots at a severe disadvantage in a process that is supposed to be fair. However, as our legal team makes every effort to secure funds that should be rightfully ours, we know that the West Pilots can and will do what it takes to finish the job. We have been left to fend for ourselves over the past nine years and look forward to the day when we are neither caught between a hostile union and a complacent company. 

We have shown true unity, a true quality lacking in our profession as in society as well. Be proud to be part of the unified West Pilots as we “Push” toward the finish line.

 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/APA_Pres-Wilson.pdf
 
luvthe9 said:
This is why the APA can't stand the AWA pilot group, what a sense of entitlement.
Apparently, someone had his button pushed by an AWA Pilot
From: To: Sent: 9/11/2014 12:38:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Fwd: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick
Sent: 9/10/2014 4:43:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick
As cut and paste from APA C&R
Adam (current AW with a second number at TWA/AA)
You are clueless!
It's classic; you and Patrick on on here spouting about the Nic award!
I WANT THE NIC AWARD FOR MY FEB 1999 hire date at TWA. I am not getting it, nor do I expect to reshuffle any lists. But the fact that you guys think you should be 'ratio'd in' a few thousand numbers higher than your AA numbers is sickening! Get real dude!
I have several very good friends at AWA; however, the truth is that the 'West' side brings (by far) the least to the dance by a mile! You guys bring a bunch of old narrow bodies, a youthful pilot list; a worthless Phoenix base (which is HALF RJs) and will be the first on the chopping block!
You both still have numbers at AA. Your true 'career expectations' at AA now are MUCH BETTER than your lowly expectations ever were at Am West. AWA brings NOTHING compared to the value TWA brought. Unfortunately all the TWA value was squandered by a pathetic management!
But the reality........the fact that you think you should leapfrog a couple thousand of your AA brothers because of the Nic award is gross. Even if you guys get the Nic award.......your AWA numbers (from your 2003 hire dares) should be BELOW every AA pilot, (with the exception of the last year of recent new hires!
Now if apa is going to actually represent the bottom 50% of the AA list is another story.
I would say give you 'Westies' the Nic award and ratio you in with your 'super seniority.' However, you all need to stay LOCKED IN to PHX for the long haul; and all growth or shrinkage of Phoenix is all on your shoulders; not the pilots of AA!
I can't even believe that you guys are even getting any consideration in discussions at all! We (bottom dwellers of AA) have been so fuked and stagnated our entire careers! We FINALLY have some movement and a little potential as far as career expectations.........and our America West 'brothers' feel they have a 'right' to our progression! I think you guys are going to have one hell of a hard time convincing this to an arbitrator!
Good luck! You are going to need it.
The good news for you guys with both seniority numbers is that you get to wait and see what happens and then decide which seniority number you want.
As far as wanting your rightful 'Nic award' at my expense, or at the expense of all my brothers who have been screwed since we all got furloughed back in 2002........piss off!
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I can not believe these two AWA morons are '04 hires, you keep up the good work Pat A'Nail in the AWA coffin, and Mr. Birdbrain Seagull.
 
luvthe9 said:
I can not believe these two AWA morons are '04 hires, you keep up the good work Pat A'Nail in the AWA coffin, and Mr. Birdbrain Seagull.
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What the hell are you talking about? Where do you come up with that crap? Your imaginary friends? SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP. Sheesh!
 
One other thing Luv, crawl back under your rock. Nice try trying to stir up crap with the AA/TWA guys and the West pilots. FAIL!
 
luvthe9 said:
This is why the APA can't stand the AWA pilot group, what a sense of entitlement.







Apparently, someone had his button pushed by an AWA Pilot

From: To: Sent: 9/11/2014 12:38:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Fwd: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick


Sent: 9/10/2014 4:43:41 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Subj: "Piss off!" I like this guy Rick

As cut and paste from APA C&R

Adam (current AW with a second number at TWA/AA)

You are clueless!

It's classic; you and Patrick on on here spouting about the Nic award!

I WANT THE NIC AWARD FOR MY FEB 1999 hire date at TWA. I am not getting it, nor do I expect to reshuffle any lists. But the fact that you guys think you should be 'ratio'd in' a few thousand numbers higher than your AA numbers is sickening! Get real dude!

I have several very good friends at AWA; however, the truth is that the 'West' side brings (by far) the least to the dance by a mile! You guys bring a bunch of old narrow bodies, a youthful pilot list; a worthless Phoenix base (which is HALF RJs) and will be the first on the chopping block!

You both still have numbers at AA. Your true 'career expectations' at AA now are MUCH BETTER than your lowly expectations ever were at Am West. AWA brings NOTHING compared to the value TWA brought. Unfortunately all the TWA value was squandered by a pathetic management!

But the reality........the fact that you think you should leapfrog a couple thousand of your AA brothers because of the Nic award is gross. Even if you guys get the Nic award.......your AWA numbers (from your 2003 hire dares) should be BELOW every AA pilot, (with the exception of the last year of recent new hires!

Now if apa is going to actually represent the bottom 50% of the AA list is another story.

I would say give you 'Westies' the Nic award and ratio you in with your 'super seniority.' However, you all need to stay LOCKED IN to PHX for the long haul; and all growth or shrinkage of Phoenix is all on your shoulders; not the pilots of AA!

I can't even believe that you guys are even getting any consideration in discussions at all! We (bottom dwellers of AA) have been so fucked and stagnated our entire careers! We FINALLY have some movement and a little potential as far as career expectations.........and our America West 'brothers' feel they have a 'right' to our progression! I think you guys are going to have one hell of a hard time convincing this to an arbitrator!

Good luck! You are going to need it.

The good news for you guys with both seniority numbers is that you get to wait and see what happens and then decide which seniority number you want.

As far as wanting your rightful 'Nic award' at my expense, or at the expense of all my brothers who have been screwed since we all got furloughed back in 2002........piss off!
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I also received this email from a reliable source.
breeze
 
CactusPilot1 said:
One other thing Luv, crawl back under your rock. Nice try trying to stir up crap with the AA/TWA guys and the West pilots. FAIL!
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Maybe you guys can get the APA to fund your merger committee ?

LMFAO.......... )
 
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