2014 Pilot Discussion

[nevergiveup]

If APA want a USAPA member to represent the west, then I can see a west USAPA member there to fill the position. The west would still be represented by USAPA. Perhaps they can get move2clt to speak for them. We can provide them with copies of his posts!

 

[A320 Driver]

If APA want a USAPA member to represent the west, then I can see a west USAPA member there to fill the position. The west would still be represented by USAPA. Perhaps they can get move2clt to speak for them. We can provide them with copies of his posts!

The West had two members on the Merger Committee.

They quit, just like most of the others that had positions on various committees. And then they whine about not having representation.

 

[snapthis]

Dismissed - thanks for playn.

 
Obviously, you have been getting very bad legal advice. USAPA will not be participating in the process. Maybe you overlooked the significance of the timing of the appeal to the 9th.
 
"A finding of SCS will quickly eliminate USAPA’s role as our collective bargaining agent (CBA), and thereafter it will be legally barred from representing anyone. The Allied Pilots Association (APA) will become the CBA for all American Airlines pilots, just as USAPA became the CBA for all US Airways pilots when it was certified by the NMB. "
 
Sincerely,
 
Leonidas

 

[Claxon]

Check out mark doyal's avatar and advice in 2008 america west message board.
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-14%5B1%5D.pdf

 

[Phoenix]

Obviously, you have been getting very bad legal advice. USAPA will not be participating in the process. Maybe you overlooked the significance of the timing of the appeal to the 9th.
 
"A finding of SCS will quickly eliminate USAPA’s role as our collective bargaining agent (CBA), and thereafter it will be legally barred from representing anyone. The Allied Pilots Association (APA) will become the CBA for all American Airlines pilots, just as USAPA became the CBA for all US Airways pilots when it was certified by the NMB. "
 
Sincerely,
 
Leonidas

If USAPA (a party to the MOU, and a NMB-recognized legal rep pursuant to MB) is legally barred from participating in SLI negotiations... Then how in your mind is a two-bit shakedown LLC going to be legally entitled to participate?

 

[luvthe9]

Obviously, you have been getting very bad legal advice. ......

Now that is funny, "bad legal advice" Marty just reeks of bad legal advice but keep giving him your money fool!

 

[Claxon]

capn aux 2008 post on america west pilot awappa forum;
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-11%5B1%5D.pdf

 

[Claxon]

johnny mac (soprano), former america west airline pilot mec chairman, email to another fellow america west pilot wanting to join USAPA, an NMB certified bargaining agent in 2008.
 
I have never before experienced a sub group of the human species that go from carnivore to herbivore eating victim mentality like the west pilots.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-19%5B1%5D.pdf

 

[Claxon]

david schoppaul (awa1), america west pilot and goat video producer, post on awappa board about not letting an East pilots on "his" jump seats in 2008.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-7%5B1%5D.pdf

 

[Claxon]

Jeff Freund's advice was mostly never followed by the west pilots, this warning on the top of a awappa forum was never taken seriously.
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-2%5B1%5D.pdf
 
My above posts are just an answer to snapthis, "we are victims" posts, it is time for him to sleep in one of the beds they made.

 

[traderjake]

If USAPA (a party to the MOU, and a NMB-recognized legal rep pursuant to MB) is legally barred from participating in SLI negotiations... Then how in your mind is a two-bit shakedown LLC going to be legally entitled to participate?

 
APA, our soon to be CBA, creates an East and West MC.

 

[im back..!!]

APA, our soon to be CBA, creates an East and West MC.

What legal right does APA have to create a seperate class that a federal judge didnt have?

 

[Metroyet]

What legal right does APA have to create a seperate class that a federal judge didnt have?

Your new union, the APA, can operate in a Wide range of reasonableness...just like your former bargaining agent. If it's a DFR somehow to provide independent committees an opportunity to make their case before 3 neutral arbitrators in a process "like MB" as RATIFIED by all parties to the MOU, you're welcome to file suit and see where your complaint goes.

It's expensive though. Better get organized.

 

[im back..!!]

Your new union, the APA, can operate in a Wide range of reasonableness...just like your former bargaining agent. If it's a DFR somehow to provide independent committees an opportunity to make their case before 3 neutral arbitrators in a process "like MB" as RATIFIED by all parties to the MOU, you're welcome to file suit and see where your complaint goes.
It's expensive though. Better get organized.

So, the trick to bypassing a federal law is to delay, obtain SCS and voila'.... No more seperate unions in a merger. And to boot, you can create merger committe's at will. Brilliant, watching ths play out, who would have figured the federal government was so easy to push aside.

I'll believe that when I see it.....

 

[Metroyet]

So, the trick to bypassing a federal law is to delay, obtain SCS and voila'.... No more seperate unions in a merger. And to boot, you can create merger committe's at will. Brilliant, watching ths play out, who would have figured the federal government was so easy to push aside.
I'll believe that when I see it.....

MB only pertains to actual bargaining agents. The APA is the agent. Decertifying your union before you were done attempting to use it as a weapon was..."unwise" lets say. Who knows what the Arbitrators will come up with for E/W.

maybe you'll get DOH..or The Nic on steroids.