2014 Pilot Discussion

[luvthe9]

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Seniority Integration Protocol: The Facts
 
 
To be blunt, USAPA's version of events is fiction. USAPA leadership specifically and directly solicited this latest protocol proposal from the Seniority Integration Committee. USAPA's merger counsel was also briefed on the likely content of the protocol document several days before receipt. USAPA's abject failure to communicate these facts erodes the very foundation of trust necessary for any further negotiations. It is now apparent to us, just as it was to Judge Silver in the Addington v. USAPA DFR decision, that USAPA is using these tactics, including reneging on its bargain under the MOU and litigating the McCaskill-Bond process in court, with the express goal of delaying the NMB single-carrier finding.
Last week, before we passed our latest protocol proposal, APA Vice President FO Neil Roghair was invited to speak at USAPA domicile meetings in Charlotte and Philadelphia. The APA talking points were simple:

• APA wants a smooth and amicable integration with the pilots of US Airways.
• APA is committed to the process that we all agreed to and ratified in the MOU.
• APA will take its duty of fair representation to all American Airlines pilots seriously.

FO Roghair communicated that the protocol agreement for seniority integration should be complete and that the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:

• Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters
• Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process
• Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases
• Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)

These are not commitments APA is willing to entertain and are what brought seniority protocol negotiations to a halt.
 
 
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4608/Seniority-Integration-Protocol-The-Facts.aspx
 
^^^^^^^^^^^Hey cheat, who wrote that? ^^^^^^^^^^

Blah,blah,blah..........Enjoy PHX stagnation!

 

[snapthis]

Blah,blah,blah..........Enjoy PHX stagnation!

 

Enjoy yours...
http://www.cactuspilot.com/

 

[Phoenix]

Blah,blah,blah..........Enjoy PHX stagnation!

 
 
At some point, eventually, some day the pity factor is going to kick in.  But today is not that day.  

 

[EastUS1]

 
No, I haven't noticed.
 

 
As seems the case where real life and the world around you are concerned. No matter, I suppose. Feel perfectly free to continue along with your futile but "righteous" crusade to artificially advance yourself whole decades over other people who've actually earned their seniority through honest work.

 

[luvthe9]

Enjoy yours...
http://www.cactuspilot.com/

Yet another blah,blah,blah...........PHX land of the damned!!! A place where stupid pilots sit and rot while new hires go into wide body planes and one year upgrades along with massive growth that they could have shared in but chose not to. You can't fix stupid, PHX is proof!

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

MB only pertains to actual bargaining agents. The APA is the agent. Decertifying your union before you were done attempting to use it as a weapon was..."unwise" lets say. Who knows what the Arbitrators will come up with for E/W.

maybe you'll get DOH..or The Nic on steroids.

Actually, no. The law also would grant rights to an unrepresented group as well. And read up on the 4th circuit appelate decision regarding the MidWest Express flight attendants, Teamsters, and SCS.

 

[snapthis]

APA Board of Directors Special Meeting

 

APA INFORMATION HOTLINE​

This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, Aug. 19.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: Following a morning caucus, the APA board of directors convened at 1 p.m. Central at APA headquarters for this week's special meeting. In his opening remarks, APA President CA Keith Wilson noted that the meeting agenda is devoted to the forthcoming seniority integration. He characterized the demographic makeup of the APA Seniority Integration Committee as "talented and diverse," with members spanning the seniority list in a range of bid statuses.
 
The board devoted the bulk of its afternoon to executive-session briefings by APA general counsel Ed James, members of the Seniority Integration Committee and seniority integration attorney Wes Kennedy before recessing for the day. The meeting will resume tomorrow at 9 a.m. Central and is scheduled to continue through mid-day Thursday.
 
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4805/APA-Board-of-Directors-Special-Meeting.aspx

 
 
 
 
 

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION ​

 
 
 

SPECIAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING ​

 

AUGUST 19-21, 2014 ​

 
                            
 

Agenda_ August SBOD 8/19-21, 2014 WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 20, 2014 ​

 
 
Interesting to see the makeup of the committee.
 
 
 
 
To read more, simply click on the link and sign in.
 
                                                                                                     
 

 

[Claxon]

Check out mark doyal's avatar and advice in 2008 america west message board.
.pdf]http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Rico/Rico%20District/65-14[1].pdf

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[Phoenix]

 
APA Board of Directors Special Meeting
 

APA INFORMATION HOTLINE​

This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, Aug. 19.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: Following a morning caucus, the APA board of directors convened at 1 p.m. Central at APA headquarters for this week's special meeting. In his opening remarks, APA President CA Keith Wilson noted that the meeting agenda is devoted to the forthcoming seniority integration. He characterized the demographic makeup of the APA Seniority Integration Committee as "talented and diverse," with members spanning the seniority list in a range of bid statuses.
 
The board devoted the bulk of its afternoon to executive-session briefings by APA general counsel Ed James, members of the Seniority Integration Committee and seniority integration attorney Wes Kennedy before recessing for the day. The meeting will resume tomorrow at 9 a.m. Central and is scheduled to continue through mid-day Thursday.
 
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4805/APA-Board-of-Directors-Special-Meeting.aspx

 
 
 
 
 

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION ​

 
 
 

SPECIAL BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING ​

 

AUGUST 19-21, 2014 ​

 
                            
 

Agenda_ August SBOD 8/19-21, 2014 WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 20, 2014 ​

 
 
Interesting to see the makeup of the committee.
 
 
 
 
To read more, simply click on the link and sign in.
 
                                                                                                     
 
 

 

BPR Special Meeting Notice
 
In accordance with the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws Article V Section 3, and USAPA UOM Section 3 Paragraph II.a.1, President Gary Hummel has called a Special Meeting of the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives, at the USAPA offices in Charlotte. It will commence at 0900 ET on Thursday, September 4, and conclude at 1700 ET on Friday, September 5 or at the conclusion of business. 
The agenda for this meeting is:
 

1. Discussion and resolution of Constitutional issues, including those contained in Article 1, Section 3 of the USAPA Constitution dealing with Duration and/or Dissolution.
2. Merger Committee Briefing
3. NAC Briefing

 
USAPA Communications
 

 
 
So, on Thursday is AOL meeting?  

 

[snapthis]

So, on Thursday is AOL meeting?

I know that my union is discussing seniority while your association is discussing dissolution.

AWE....

August 19, 2014
BPR Special Meeting Notice

In accordance with the USAPA Constitution & Bylaws Article V Section 3, and USAPA UOM Section 3 Paragraph II.a.1, President Gary Hummel has called a Special Meeting of the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives, at the USAPA offices in Charlotte. It will commence at 0900 ET on Thursday, September 4, and conclude at 1700 ET on Friday, September 5 or at the conclusion of business.

The agenda for this meeting is:

Discussion and resolution of Constitutional issues, including those contained in Article 1, Section 3 of the USAPA Constitution dealing with Duration and/or Dissolution.
Merger Committee Briefing
NAC Briefing

 

[snapthis]

Yet another blah,blah,blah...........PHX land of the damned!!! A place where stupid pilots sit and rot while new hires go into wide body planes and one year upgrades along with massive growth that they could have shared in but chose not to. You can't fix stupid, PHX is proof!

Massive growth, wide bodies, blah blah

I'll just watch you rearrange the chairs on the deck.

Did you read your association's Scope update??
"Expect more changes than CLT losing South American service in the future. Overflying a hub with one of our current routes will require compelling economics. More money stands to be made by reducing that capacity and moving the flying to a closer geographical point."

 

[luvthe9]

Massive growth, wide bodies, blah blah
I'll just watch you rearrange the chairs on the deck.
Did you read your association's Scope update??
"Expect more changes than CLT losing South American service in the future. "

Guess you missed this part, we could care less where the flying is out of as long as " we would fly it". get it WE not you, you lose again.

1.We fly our own aircraft and APA flies theirs. There were rumors of 330 flying out of MIA being considered. That is allowed, but we would fly it.

 

[Phoenix]

I know that my union is discussing seniority ...

 
Let's assume for hypothetical purposes that you mean AOL (your union), and lets assume for hypothetical purposes AOL is a union (I'm humoring you)...
 
Exactly how did AOL "discuss seniority"?  
 
Did they discuss it in front of a mirror?  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC0WNGMAbo0

 

[snapthis]

Guess you missed this part, we could care less where the flying is out of as long as " we would fly it". get it WE not you, you lose again.

1.We fly our own aircraft and APA flies theirs. There were rumors of 330 flying out of MIA being considered. That is allowed, but we would fly it.

 
 
You will fly whatever aircraft your seniority takes you. You'll get a seat at at the table too. Patience grasshopper.
 
How come you are so cranky?
 
AWE.......
 
End_of_USAPA 

 

[snapthis]

 
Let's assume for hypothetical purposes that you mean AOL (your union), and lets assume for hypothetical purposes AOL is a union (I'm humoring you)...
 
Exactly how did AOL "discuss seniority"?  
 
Did they discuss it in front of a mirror?  
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC0WNGMAbo0

 
AWE cute.
 
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