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Freighterguynow
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That will be fascinating to see pan out.snapthis said:
The only status AOL has was Class imparted by Silver who they have appealed.
Phoenix
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Almost all of them realize they have nothing to bargain with anymore, and have become silent... but one creative Westie tried his best at a sort of consolation plea, to make the West relevant if at all possible... In crew news he proposed management should accept a proposal to "adopt and go" with the America West "culture".Claxon said:
Where does one procure some America West "culture"? Is it in a Petrie dish?
luvthe9
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Marcus Schrenkersnapthis said:Here's a reality check.
West pilots are discussing the NMB
"I remember that, and that is their "showing of interest". Unless someone else comes up with at least 50%+1 of the pilots, the APA will remain unchallenged and an election won't be triggered.Wilder can suck my #@!!."
"I think I disagree w some of the majority positions here about why the easties may be waving. (I too ran into a rather friendly east crew on a handoff of a west bird last trip) and this is what I thought. They are losing their majority rat of a union. (Soon... It's rabid, cornered and bleeding) They are losing their right arm that smacks the westy lil brother around when mommas not looking. NOW ...Some new bully older kid whatever has moved in to the neighborhood and they'd like to now... get along ---big smile now----and hope bygones can be bygones. In other words ...I smell fear." "Since we're all gonna be APA members soon there is a fear spreading amongst them of what will be exposed (let's say on an APA web board) about how they have been behaving for 8 years. And it's legitimate. We all know and have the scars to prove it. They should be ashamed and you won't be able to find a USAPA supporter anywhere." "The third listers tho are not fearful; they are as elated as we are and feel the opposite.(most). Less fear; intimidation fading, so they can be friendly to Westies without fear of reprisal. Ask me if you need an example in private about how one particular East capt verbally ravaged a third lister friend of mine for "talking to the enemy" when my friend saw an old commuter buddy (now westie) on the same hotel van.""Depending on how deceived a said eastie was by USAPA will dictate the response we will get. 99-2000 hires I think will be most infuriated as they didn't get to jump ahead of all us of hired between 99 and 05 merger at Cactus. And will feel thrown under the bus. Third listers seem MOSTLY to hate USAPAs as much as we 89 hires (till jan 90) will probably be friendly if they got to grab their upgrade before us. (Let's move on etc)"
"I do not believe you will see much support for an East army of herpes...uhhh Xerxes."
West pilots are discussing dues collecting and the desire to fire West pilots via section 29.
"To the bitter end.these people are just plain @@@holes."
"The only redeeming thought is that now I'll be current and, MIG or not, I'd BETTER get back money when this POS union finally dies and refunds their bankroll. With talk of a possible extension to their miserable life due to the NMB considering ordering an election, my happy face just got put back in the box."
"I am on the list from the SCABS. Do I have to send the 100 dollar amount to be in good standing. I don't care to be in good standing."
"No one is getting money back from the SCABS. They will find a way to use it to sue somebody. This is my 8 the or 9 th sec 29 from the SCABS."
"If Streble ' s dues policy is violating the C & B L's he needs to be brought up on charges."
West pilots are discussing the appeal to the 9th.
"Pretty interesting reading. Judge Silver is called to task on her rulings. The good doctor has outdone himself once again."
"We are unified, funded and well represented legally. Jacob and Freund had their work cut out for them starting eight years ago and both have excelled."
"Agreed"
"Usapa meet Karma"
"So yeah, USAPA meet Karma, she's a ####."
"USAPA is the impediment here and they won't be involved either way."
"Seham did address the litigation in a USAPA campaign road show, but he did so solely for the purpose of garnering USAPA votes. The AAA MEC was selling that lawsuit as a reason to vote for ALPA, and Seham told them that the lawsuit was a loser. And Seham was right. With regard to the appeal, for all practical purposes USAPA is dead once APA takes over, either because APA takes over and settled the case or because the East is unable to certify a class."
"Never underestimate the stupidity of the east mind. They will believe they can control this situation until the day they get their new junior seniority numbers and their MD 80 f/o bids in LGA"
You are just like him.
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Phoenix said:
He also said, in so many words, that he hoped some AW people would be part of the New American team. I wish Campbell had just looked at him and said: "DUH! The CEO is Doug Parker and the President is Scott Kirby. Where do you think they came from?"
If Parker and Kirby think the AW "culture" is so blasted wonderful, then who would be in a better position to bring it forward?
snapthis
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MUTATIS MUTANDIS said:
USAPA will not represent me. Courtesy, Leonidas LLC.
"Once the National Mediation Board certifies the APA as the exclusive bargaining agent for both pre-merger US Airways and American Airlines pilots, the APA will owe a Duty of Fair Representation to all pilots – equally. It will also be the APA’s and the Company’s responsibility to ensure there is a “fair and equitable” seniority integration process as mandated by the McCaskill-Bond legislation. Creating three separate merger committees to “represent the disparate seniority interests” is, in our opinion, the safest method for the APA to comply with its DFR to all New American pilots, as well as comply with the McCaskill-Bond Act.
It can hardly be disputed that during the past six years, USAPA has repeatedly demonstrated hostility towards the West pilots in terms of seniority. We anticipate that APA has no interest in taking the path chosen by USAPA. In expectation of APA honoring its duty to all New American pilots, we believe the West pilots need an SLI attorney and are pleased to announce that we have been able to retain Jeff Freund to assist us in that capacity. Please join us in welcoming back Jeff."
snapthis
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Where do you think they came from?nycbusdriver said:
Parker's experience prior to joining America West in 1995 includes four years
with Northwest Airlines as vice president and assistant treasurer, and vice
president of financial planning and analysis. From 1986 to 1991, he held a
number of financial management positions with American Airlines.
https://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/corporateInformation/bios/parker.jsp
Prior to joining America West, Kirby worked for American Airlines Decision
Technologies (AADT), a subsidiary of AMR Corp, and worked at the Pentagon prior
to AADT.
http://www.usairways.com/en-US/aboutus/pressroom/bios/kirby.html
Freighterguynow
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Relax.snapthis said:
The man said, for the second time, the Flight Attendants are first up to be integrated then the pilots. It'll be mid 2016 just to get a common scheduling system.
which could be pushed back to 2017 if IT has to program any non legacy AA contractual items into the mix.
After all that, then we start thinking about cross bidding.
What I find incredible is that even if the West pilots come on board with just their date of hire, their futures are much brighter than what they are used to. To demand that they get to jump 17 yrs on the seniority list is nothing but an entitlement greedy attitude.
They are like kids that are going to be told by their parents...."NO"
breeze
They are like kids that are going to be told by their parents...."NO"
breeze
dariencc
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More wild and crazy Tempe culture! Company President Scott Kirby cross dressing as Katy Perry. Hear all the "fun" Tempe 20 something cubicle dwellers squeal with delight. The rest of America has no idea what real fun is!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgjcyH4Ghk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVgjcyH4Ghk
crazystnic
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yeah and stockholm syndrome as well when you think the culture has been good.Phoenix said:
mrbreeze said:
Yep. I wasn't at all joking about having used the "spartan" material, from just this thread over the years, as a study in arrested development. I've honestly never before seen the likes of "I hate all of you'se", et al, among any supposed "professionals" in my earlier life. No matter what flavor of "You've simply GOT to be kidding"?, Well....We all learn as we go.
dariencc said:
Pathetic yes, but only bizarre due to the unusually elevated employment circumstances. I'll defer my own obvious thoughts in favor of others: " It is my belief that the emotional development of the alcoholic is often fixated or arrested at the age when they first began drinking pathologically, even if that is in their early adolescence. This is because the use of alcohol prevented them from experiencing and working through the usual developmental stages associated with emerging adulthood. For many alcoholics, this fixation appears to have been at an adolescent level." http://www.beaumontpsych.com/alcoholism.htm
http://books.google.com/books?id=A7VO1_b4w28C&pg=PA71&lpg=PA71&dq=arrested+development+in+alcoholics&source=bl&ots=WoQYJFFt1W&sig=HFDUfgyrV-2jPj60_gQJGJDdkAs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rZLtU4LUNIawyATA64DIBQ&ved=0CFkQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=arrested%20development%20in%20alcoholics&f=false "This arrested development can cause a 50 year old alcoholic to act like an-18-year-old-kid." Perhaps even to the level of proudly and performing "gangnam style"?...While CEO of an airline/ANYTHING? I know, I know..."Chill Dude! This is WAAY-Kool"...?
My God Help "The world's largest airline".
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