2014 Pilot Discussion

[snapthis]

You, are a USAPA member, domiciled in PHX. Nothing more.
The more you say otherwise, the more you announce to the world you are one of Marty's sheep who believe that tired story he tells.

Soooo...Where is your domicile? A couch in New Hampshire?

What do I care when the APA represents all of us during seniority negotiations?

 

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Jamie, I'll let others be the judge of Bradford's deposition comments concerning merger talks with the APA starting at 8:46...No West pilot involvement and what happens to funds after the APA takes over.
 
I'll also let others be the judge starting at 9:56 about the founding of USAPA and majority rule.
 
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West_Pilot_DFR_DJ/Steve_Bradford_Video_Deposition_Part_One.mpg

Damn man.....BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT! That "case" is no more and secondly, "NO ONE CARES"!

The funds are used accord to the constitution. Sue all you want but there are plenty of funds to cover your "lawsuit" (yes, we know you're going to try to "sue", goodluck)

 

[snapthis]

Damn man.....BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT! That "case" is no more and secondly, "NO ONE CARES"!
The funds are used accord to the constitution. Sue all you want but there are plenty of funds to cover your "lawsuit" (yes, we know you're going to try to "sue", goodluck)

You won't be using funds which belong to the APA. You will fund your lawsuits with donations. Period.
 
If you thought there were plenty of funds, why did the APA make the following response?
 
"FO Roghair communicated that the protocol agreement for seniority integration should be complete and that the only major barriers have been superfluous and unacceptable USAPA demands, including:

Obligating APA to pay post-single carrier USAPA bills, including costs of its current headquarters
Maintaining USAPA's independent operation authority throughout the JCBA and SLI process
Paying for ongoing litigation expenses in Addington and any subsequent DFR cases
Recognizing USAPA as a party to the protocol agreement even after USAPA ceases to be the certified bargaining representative (contrary to its own position in the Addington litigation, the judge's ruling in that case and the specific language of the MOU)
These are not commitments APA is willing to entertain and are what brought seniority protocol negotiations to a halt."
 
 
Bottom line, fund legal battles yourself.
 
Click to donate
 

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

You won't be using funds which belong to the APA. You will fund your lawsuits with donations. Period.

Wrong. USAPA has wind down provision in its C & BL's and will continue on as organization even if it's not the CBA. They can and will use whatever funds they possess until their BPR elects to disolve the organization. Leonidas LLC ring any bells? USAPA wasn't credited any monies by ALPA when they took over. Keep spreading the BS if it makes you feel better but their will be plenty of money to see McCaskill-Bond through with out the need for any donations.

 

[snapthis]

Wrong. USAPA has wind down provision in its C & BL's and will continue on as organization even if it's not the CBA. They can and will use whatever funds they possess until their BPR elects to disolve the organization. Leonidas LLC ring any bells? USAPA wasn't credited any monies by ALPA when they took over. Keep spreading the BS if it makes you feel better but their will be plenty of money to see McCaskill-Bond through with out the need for any donations.

Does the APA agree with what you just said? I think the question was asked, did you even bother reading the update? Do you think West pilots might challenge USAPA in court over this issue?

Obviously, USAPA owns a parrot...

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Does the APA agree with what you just said? I think the question was asked, did you even bother reading the update? Do you think West pilots might challenge USAPA in court over this issue?

Obviously, USAPA owns a parrot...

It doesn't matter what the APA thinks, the funds in USAPA accounts are governed by USAPA's C & BL, nothing else. Hey sue away, the McCaskill-Bond issue will be settled long before that is ever resolved in USAPA's favor. BTW their own expense is currently over 10 million dollars. You left out the part where he doesn't say that APA is entitled to USAPA funds because that isn't the case.

If anyone here is guilty of repeating mechanically without availaing themselves of the facts, court rulings, or law on the subject...... Well, your wouldn't understand anyway. Parrot away.

 

[Pi brat]

Does the APA agree with what you just said? I think the question was asked, did you even bother reading the update? Do you think West pilots might challenge USAPA in court over this issue?
Obviously, USAPA owns a parrot...

Well, AOL has never been wrong before. Keep betting on that horse, maybe it will come in one day. Just don't spend that USAPA refund yet.

 

[snapthis]

It doesn't matter what the APA thinks, the funds in USAPA accounts are governed by USAPA's C & BL, nothing else. Hey sue away, the McCaskill-Bond issue will be settled long before that is ever resolved in USAPA's favor.

DOH was also in the C & BL. How did that work out? Frozen, much like assets.

 

[snapthis]

Well, AOL has never been wrong before. Keep betting on that horse, maybe it will come in one day. Just don't spend that USAPA refund yet.

It's also tough to spend cold cash as in frozen.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

DOH was also in the C & BL. How did that work out? Frozen, much like assets.

Hey sue away, its America.

Nicalou was final and binding. How did that work out for you? Silver ruled otherwise, twice!

 

[snapthis]

Hey sue away, its America.Nicalou was final and binding. How did that work out for you? Silver ruled otherwise, twice!

Did the Nic go away? News to me.

Did you see that Bradford clip? That was quite the shuck and jive.

Maybe we can go for a repeat performance.
 
 

 

[Pi brat]

It's also tough to spend cold cash as in frozen.

Yeah. If that happens. Why would you want it to though? AOL sued USAPA. And lost, again, only to appeal. Wouldn't you want that appeal to be heard?

 

[snapthis]

Yeah. If that happens. Why would you want it to though? AOL sued USAPA. And lost, again, only to appeal. Wouldn't you want that appeal to be heard?

A loss? There is probably a good reason you did not see an appeal.

No worries

 

[Pi brat]

A loss? There is probably a good reason you did not see an appeal.
No worries

Uh, you lost and appealed.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

Did the Nic go away? News to me.

Did you see that Bradford clip? That was quite the shuck and jive.

Maybe we can go for a repeat performance.

Did the Nic go away? News to me.

Did you see that Bradford clip? That was quite the shuck and jive.

Maybe we can go for a repeat performance.

Neither did USAPA's DOH proposal go away because just as the Nicalou proposal as that is all it was and nothing more. Heck your buddy Jeff Freund argued that about the Nicalou Award in the ALPA US MEC v. ALPA AWA MEC law suit and further tried to explain it at Wye River. In his own words it was nothing more than an ALPA bargaining proposal the ALPA had a constitutional responsibility to. Those proposals still exist in the annals of history but really have no value at this point. That all changed with the MOU/MTA and whatever comes out of McCaskill-Bond. The product of McCaskill-Bond will be a different story.