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snapthis said:
I think I can agree with that. 😉
Its really not so much a matter of agreement, as it is a matter of compliance.
snapthis said:
I think I can agree with that. 😉
Would that compliance be binding or non-binding?Phoenix said:Its really not so much a matter of agreement, as it is a matter of compliance.
snapthis said:Would that compliance be binding or non-binding?
Sorry, no rumors just facts, enjoy the summer on the "island" fact APA boys are moving up nicely as are the east pilots, you'll love the next bid!snapthis said:
snapthis said:
AOL 6/18 update
Jeff Freund, our former AWA Merger Committee attorney, was instrumental in the Nicolau proceedings. Mr. Freund recently rejoined the West efforts to obtain a fair integration at the New American Airlines. Over the last eight years Mr. Freund negotiated, or helped obtain largely favorable terms for his clients in every major airline merger.
BEFORE THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION
2 ARBITRATION BOARD
3
4 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -x
5 In the Matter of the Seniority :
6 Integration Between: :
7 THE CREW MEMBERS OF POLAR AIR CARGO, INC., :
8 and :
9 THE CREW MEMBERS OF ATLAS AIR, INC. :
10 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -x
JEFFREY R. FREUND, ESQ.
4 LISA POWELL, ESQ.
5 Bredhoff & Kaiser, PLLC
10 On behalf of Atlas Air, Inc.
Mr. Freund?
15 MR. FREUND: Thank you.
Our methodology is plain and simple, and
2 that is -- and we've spelled it out in our opening
3 papers. You ought to take the pilots who are .....
at Polar using Atlas
9 staffing formulas, take the most senior of those
10 pilots, put them on the Atlas list on his or her
11 date of hire, determine what that -- the ratio that
12 exists by reason of looking at that number of pilots
13 necessary to fly the Polar aircraft, create a ratio
14 between that number and the number of Atlas pilots,
15 and ratio those pilots into the list using the
16 methodology adopted by Rich Block in the Alaska/Jet
17 America integration, namely, if that ratio results
18 in putting any Polar pilot ahead of an Atlas pilot
19 who has an earlier date of hire, move the Polar
20 pilot down and begin the ratio again.
Looks like the projected integration timeline has been released.luvthe9 said:Sorry, no rumors just facts, enjoy the summer on the "island" fact APA boys are moving up nicely as are the east pilots, you'll love the next bid!
Note the company response to #2:end_of_alpa said:Grievance Update - MTA Disputes #2, #3, and #5
Details Created on Wednesday, 18 June 2014 15:08
Yesterday (June 17) the parties (USAPA, the Company and APA) met with Arbitrator Richard Bloch on pending MTA Disputes #2, #3 and #5. The parties agreed to settle MTA Dispute #2 which concerns information requested by the USAPA Merger Committee. MTA Dispute #3, which concerns the Company’s assignment of chief pilots from American to oversee operations at US Airways, was postponed at the request of USAPA because Professional Negotiator Roland Wilder was unable to be present. And the Company and APA agreed, as USAPA has consistently asserted, that MTA Dispute #5, which was filed by the Company and APA, cannot be scheduled for hearing until the District Court has ruled on the motions to compel arbitration by the Company and APA which are currently pending in the McCaskill Bond Injunction Action.
MTA Dispute #2
MTA Dispute #2, filed by USAPA and the USAPA Merger Committee, alleged (a) that the Company was improperly meeting with and otherwise involving a “West Merger Committee” appointed by the plaintiffs in the Addington II case in Seniority List Integration (SLI) discussions involving American and US Airways Pilots and (b) that the Company was failing and refusing to provide information necessary for the USAPA Merger Committee to effectively participate in the SLI process.
USAPA agreed not to proceed with the first issue based on the Company’s commitment that the status of any so-called “West Committee” was determined by the decision issued in January 2014 in Addington II and that the Company therefore would refrain from involving such a committee in the SLI process.
The parties agreed to resolve the second issue concerning information when the Company indicated it was still in the process of producing information in response to the requests of both the USAPA Merger Committee and the APA Seniority Integration Committee (SIC) and because the parties agreed to a process to resolve disputes concerning the production of SLI information on an expedited basis before Arbitrator Bloch.
MTA Dispute #3
MTA Dispute #3, filed by USAPA, alleged that the Carrier violated the MOU by assigning pilots from American as Chief Pilots to oversee US Airways pilots. The dates for hearing before Arbitrator Bloch had been reserved by the Company and APA without the agreement of USAPA and USAPA asked that any hearing on MTA Dispute #3 be postponed because Professional Negotiator Roland Wilder could not be present due to other previous commitments. Arbitrator Bloch granted USAPA’s request over the objections of the Company and APA. As a result, there is currently no date set for a hearing on MTA Dispute #3.
MTA Dispute #5
MTA Dispute #5, filed by the Company and APA, alleges that USAPA is violating the MOU by generally asserting in the McCaskill-Bond Injunction Action that the parties (the Carriers, APA and USAPA) must follow the process set forth by the McCaskill-Bond Amendment. USAPA has refused to participate in arbitrating this dispute because in its view this is a statutory issue that must be decided by the United States District Court in the McCaskill-Bond Injunction Action and not by an arbitrator. The Company and APA have filed motions in the McCaskill Bond Injunction Action asking the District Court to compel (require) USAPA to arbitrate MTA Dispute #5 and those motions are pending before the District Court. The Company and APA have previously written to Arbitrator Bloch and to USAPA demanding that USAPA proceed to arbitration on MTA Dispute #5 even though the issue is pending before the District Court. USAPA has refused. At the hearing yesterday, the Company and APA conceded that MTA Dispute #5 cannot be arbitrated unless and until the District Court issues a decision on the pending motions. As a result, all of the additional dates that had been reserved by the Company and APA (June 18-19 and July 1-3) were released, and a hearing on MTA Dispute #5 will be scheduled only if the District Court rules that USAPA must arbitrate the dispute.
USAPA Grievance Committee
Losers.snapthis said:AOL 6/18 update
As we wait for the NMB to rule on “Single Carrier Status” (SCS) Leonidas, LLC will provide its viewpoint on the legal landscape as we continue to defend against the multiple and unrelenting assaults on our careers and seniority. A finding of SCS will quickly eliminate USAPA’s role as our collective bargaining agent (CBA), and thereafter it will be legally barred from representing anyone. The Allied Pilots Association (APA) will become the CBA for all American Airlines pilots, just as USAPA became the CBA for all US Airways pilots when it was certified by the NMB. Although our legal activity has slowed recently, our fight is far from over. It was clear that shift in strategy was required in order to meet the recent developments in our quest for justice.
Over the past six years, a certain segment of former US Airways pilots have used USAPA as a weapon, engaging in a relentless campaign to denigrate and intimidate the former America West pilots in order to justify their quest to jettison their obligations from 2005. USAPA’s singular goal has been to substitute their own contrived seniority list in place of an agreed upon arbitrated decision arrived at after an arbitrators careful consideration of all the facts and equities of our unique merger situation. West pilot unity has provided a robust defense against an immoral union supported by management.
While we didn't pick this fight, defending ourselves has been worth the effort. Had we not stood up to USAPA the West pilots would have been stapled long ago and there would be no need for APA and the company to consider West pilot interest in a fair SLI process. USAPA’s desperate efforts litigating in Washington DC, and opposing SCS are aimed at keeping the West pilots out of the process at all costs because our presence will prevent USAPA from unilaterally dictating what US Airways seniority list will become part of the integrated seniority list.
As the new minority, USAPA has chosen to turn its tactics against APA and New American with multiple legal actions on multiple fronts designed to prolong its reign and exclude the past and future seniority interests of former America West pilots. USAPA's primary disagreement with APA over the protocol revolves around the inclusion of the former AWA pilots as a separate party to the seniority integration. USAPA also disagrees that APA will have absolute control over the process and the ability to amend the agreements as APA and the company see fit. This was USAPA's very own strategy when it assumed the role as the collective bargaining agent from ALPA. Today, the “shoe is on the other foot” and USAPA leaders do not like the idea that APA may do unto them as USAPA has done unto the West Pilots.
Left to their own devices, USAPA's officers will continue to interfere with the APA, the company, and the fair representation rights for the former America West pilots. A frequently heard question is, “what will happen to USAPA’s treasury fund?” We know West pilots agree with our opinion that it must be promptly returned to the pilots that were forced to pay it. It is almost certain that, without ANOTHER lawsuit, USAPA and its officers will attempt to use West dues money to advance East interests. However, USAPA and its officers will not be afforded any protection under federal labor law. It will be up to the former America West Pilots to ensure this does not happen. For the first time, the USAPA officers will be exposed to personal liability for their actions. Should USAPA continue representing any US Airways pilot after decertification, they will individually and jointly be in contempt of Judge Silver’s order because she clearly ruled (at USAPA's urging) that USAPA could no longer represent any pilots after decertification. True to form, USAPA has already filed a lawsuit in Washington to get the D.C. court to render an opinion opposing the one they convinced Judge Silver to deliver in Arizona. Never assume that USAPA will be consistent or make ethical choices.
Our funding strategy is ever-evolving to meet future challenges. The America West pilots have done an outstanding job voluntarily contributing to pay our past legal obligations, but the fight will continue as long as USAPA’s officers are able to interfere OR the APA decides to withdraw support for a separate West merger committee. Possible legal actions going forward to defend the former America West seniority rights are expected to include the Ninth Circuit appeal, possible contempt charges against USAPA’s officers, and recovering dues money from USAPA. Additionally and more importantly is the funding for a West merger committee. The APA has tepidly committed to nothing more than a few vague references found in the DC litigation documents such as, “[After APA is certified as the single bargaining representative]...'it would assume responsibility for the structure of the pre-merger groups' merger committees consistent with its legal obligations, including the discretion to provide for the separate participation of the West Pilots in the seniority integration process if APA so chooses.'” In order to ensure a fair process, there must be a level playing field, but even this has not been guaranteed and we must be prepared to fund expenses and litigation in real time as the need arises, potentially awaiting repayment of these expenditures in the future.
To make the point clear, the APA and the company believe that three parties are required to have a fair and equitable M/B process under the terms of the merger. The parties are defined as the legacy AA pilots, and the East and West US Airways pilots. For this process to be fair, the West Merger committee must be afforded conditions of participation equal with the other parties. This includes FPL, time off, positive space travel when needed, legal representation, and funding. While we expect some level of funding from the APA for a West merger committee, history indicates more will be required. At the beginning of the 2005 merger, West Pilots were fortunate to have a separate West Merger Fund, which exceeded 1.5 million dollars, to supplement ALPA funds. We can expect this merger will cost substantially more due to its size, complexity, and a decade of inflation. At least in the beginning of this process, we should be prepared to fund our own committee one hundred percent.
Jeff Freund, our former AWA Merger Committee attorney, was instrumental in the Nicolau proceedings. Mr. Freund recently rejoined the West efforts to obtain a fair integration at the New American Airlines. Over the last eight years Mr. Freund negotiated, or helped obtain largely favorable terms for his clients in every major airline merger. Mr. Freund will provide the best representation in our upcoming SLI and is now on retainer to represent the West merger committee. This was possible through the well-established record of West pilots have of supporting Leonidas financially over the years.
end_of_alpa said:Losers.
algflyr said:Interesting from the APA:
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4586/Seniority-Integration-Protocol.aspx
SENIORITY INTEGRATION PROTOCOL: APA proposed a seniority integration protocol agreement today to the US Airline Pilots Association that incorporates USAPA's suggestions and addresses concerns their leadership has expressed. As you will see, the four-party protocol will include American Airlines and US Airways management as signatories. We'll update you once USAPA has responded to our proposal.