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traderjake said:
Because the East wanted to furlough by LOS.
 
You wanted  to steal West jobs in the event of we had to furlough pilots.
Hindsight is 20/20, but the Nic with a short fence and furlough by LOS would have worked out much better for them, huh?

Sometimes a little pragmatism goes a long way. Might be the case for us now.
 
traderjake said:
I do care that we lost and it's because our Grevience Chairman was so incompetent he can't even  get something Parker admitted he owed us much less the snap back that the PIT reps admitted in writing was never there.
You don't think the arbitrator and the RLA in general had anything to do with this?
 
Pi brat said:
Hindsight is 20/20, but the Nic with a short fence and furlough by LOS would have worked out much better for them, huh?

Sometimes a little pragmatism goes a long way. Might be the case for us now.
 
If I were them I would not have taken the bet that we were not going to furlough.
 
traderjake said:
 
I wouldn't have wasted time and money chasing the snap back ............
. Hey, give that advice to your west scab buddies, of course replace snap back with NIC, might do them some good.
 
traderjake said:
If I were them I would not have taken the bet that we were not going to furlough during the life of the fence.
Well your not and you made the wrong choice.
 
Hey, when is the next meet and greet?  Can we get another one scheduled before I wear out my lIberty tie?   
 
fifidriver said:
Yo breeze...
Sorry to hear about your experience. Absolutely unacceptable!!! However, on the other hand, absolutely understandable.
I'm not sure who you ran into, but I sit next to guys on a regular basis, who were just about to upgrade, or held off bidding a CA seat for QOL, and now find themselves a 15 yr FO, an inconceivable career expectation prior to merge, and they consider this to be "your" fault, as do I.
However, I completely agree that the flt deck is absolutely the wrong venue to vent those frustrations.
That being said, I recommend extreme caution with regard to any escalation of this matter. There is already a certain portly, East pariah in SFO, who officially reported oxy mask non-usage by his West brothers. This has been previously discussed with our chief pilot, and JS denial, while not condoned, will be understood and unpunished.
I believe that the threat of video and subsequent exposure is of absolutely no long term benefit to anyone, and the risk of a "boomerang" effect is probably fairly elevated.
Again, my apologies for my fellow Westie's behavior.
Take care. KTGSD!
 
Then make that guy eat crow on the web boards where he bragged about cutting into Breeze.
 
IMHO (which really counts for nothing in this case), Breeze should send the video to Ft Ops management unless this azzhole apologizes and tells everyone on that web forum that he made it all up to  make himself look like the wannabee spartan he is.
 
mrbreeze said:
Ya know Ames,
 
When this JS situation happened, I was surprised that the FO was upset. We sat on the ground in Philly with both engines shut down for at least an hour due to weather......he never said a negative word to me. Later, after we were airborne, he turned around and bitched me out for the way that I entered the cockpit, which, btw, is the way I have always entered the cockpit and asked for JS. He obviously had a big chip on his shoulder and his blood pressure must have been climbing while we sat on the ground. 
 
I apologized that I had offended him, but was unsure as to what his problem was. He has claimed that I came in the cockpit and tossed the fuel slip on the console, saying "here is your fuel slip". He also claimed that I came in the cockpit and shoved the fuel slip in his face. Well, neither of those things happened. He claimed that he looked up at me and saw an American lanyard......how does that happen when my lanyard and ID are being offered to him in my left hand?
 
He was just looking for a reason to #### at an East pilot who happens to be 14 yrs senior to him, 14 yrs being a key time stamp.
 
Anyway, I did apologize, the 3 of us shook hands and agreed that that was the end of it. I went home and forgot about it. A day later, I hear from a friend the this unethical SOB went on to the AOL web board and told a different story as to what actually happened......bragging about how he put me in my place. That is after shaking my hand, accepting my apology, and saying that was the end of it as far as he was concerned.
 
While cruising and after replaying in my mind the way things actually happened, I realized that this guy with his fancy tie was just out to give an East pilot some ####. (which later has been confirmed by 3 other pilots to me)
 
The problem is his attitude and his unethical behavior.
 
Now, recording in the cockpit, I wholly agree that it's not a good idea it sucks..... it's the first time I have considered such a thing. This guy had attacked me and called me unprofessional in how I approached him, however, how can he chew me out based on my so called unprofessional manner as compared to his iPad behavior? The attack on me was undeserved.
 
I have been here 28 yrs and am one of the most trustworthy commuters you will meet.....this was an unusual incident. You do whatever you think you must, I will live with it. Just try to be more ethical than this other azzhole.....if you shake my hand and we agree to something on a personal level, well, I expect that you will keep your word, just as I will keep mine.
 
breeze
 
Why in the world would you offer your paperwork and identification to a F/O?  If the captain wasn't there, I would introduce myself to the F/O and maybe ask when he expects the boss back.  If he/she wanted to chat, fine.  If not, I would wait.
 
There has been a lot of back-and-forth here over whose jumpseat it is.  One thing I am absolutely sure of:  It is NOT the F/O's jumpseat.
 
traderjake said:
Hey, did you hear? 
 
Kasher didn't  even pay the 3% payraise we were really owed.  
 
Yet both you and chip seemingly wish to both perversely gloat about, and even "celebrate" this?...The loss of compensation "we were really owed"?  One must honestly ask just exactly WTF's wrong with you two?
 
nycbusdriver said:
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!  
 
YHGTBSM!
 
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
USA320Pilot said:You're kidding, right?

When have I been wrong?"
 

I had the very same, immediate response as yours to that complete fool's post nyc.
 
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