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Arbitration on NMB Filing/M-B Status to be held on June 17-19, 2014?
 
APA SIC Chairman Mark Stephens’ Declaration (Doc 26 Key Pieces of Information) & US Airways/American Airlines Motion to Compel (Doc 27): May 2, 2014

Submitted under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.

From Document 26 APA SIC Chairman Mark Stephens’ Declaration

Paragraph 14 - USAPA’s December 19, 2013 draft did not refer to merger committees representing the pre-merger pilot groups in the seniority integration process. Instead, the draft provided for negotiation and arbitration of the seniority integration between “USAPA” and “APA.” The effect of this proposal was to give USAPA continued control of the participation of both the East and West pilots in the seniority integration process, even after it ceased to be a certified bargaining representative; and to prevent APA, after certification as the single bargaining representative of the integrated craft or class, from exercising its representational authority by providing for separate participation for the “West” pilots in the seniority integration process, if APA so chooses.

Paragraph 20 - Paragraph 2 of the January 29, 2014 USAPA proposal provided The effect of this proposal was to restrict APA from providing, after certification as the single bargaining representative of the integrated craft or class, for separate participation for the “West” pilots in the seniority integration process if APA so chooses.

Paragraph 24 - Like the January 17, 2014 APA proposal, this proposal (APA’s February 5, 2014 proposal) would have confirmed that, once APA was certified as the single bargaining representative of the combined pilot group, it would assume responsibility for the structure of the pre-merger groups’ merger committees consistent with its legal obligations, including the discretion to provide for the separate participation of the West Pilots in the seniority integration process if APA so chooses.

Paragraph 33 - Following the February 16, 2014 APA proposal, an email exchange ensued between Szymanski and Kennedy, a copy of which is Exhibit 10. The only principal significant remaining substantive issue was USAPA’s insistence on the right to assert continued party status following the certification of APA as the single bargaining representative. According to Szymanski:

¶19. Revert to APA’s original proposal with the understanding that the purpose and intent of doing so is to allow the parties to reserve their positions regarding a West merger Committee and any changes to the Protocol Agreement. USAPA will not waive its position on these issues, but we would agree to leave any dispute until when/if APA is certified.

Paragraph 34 - APA and the SIC were unwilling to agree to such a reservation of rights, for the precise reason that USAPA had argued to the court in Addington v. US Airline Pilots ***’n, No. 13-cv-00471, Doc. 298 (D. Ariz. Jan. 10, 2014), that only the certified bargaining representative is a proper party to the seniority list arbitration, albeit with separate committees representing the pre-merger seniority list pilots, and that APA would be that representative when the arbitration would occur under the MOU. The court held that it “has no doubt that—as is USAPA’s consistent practice—USAPA will change its position when it needs to do so to fit its hard and unyielding view on seniority. . . . The Court’s patience with USAPA has run out. . . . And when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” A copy of the decision is Exhibit 11, quoting language at 20-21.

Paragraph 35 - Thus, although there was agreement on virtually all issues – including a procedure for the selection of arbitrators – the parties were unable to finalize a Protocol Agreement by the February 18, 2014 deadline.

USAPA Attempts to Repudiate the Seniority Provisions of The MOU and Refuses to Arbitrate the MOU Disputes.

Paragrpah 41 - USAPA has never responded to the Company’s or to APA’s proposal.

Paragraph 42 - USAPA filed a request with the NMB on February 20, 2014, in an attempt to avoid the process and time lines set forth in the MOU by invoking Section 13(a) of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs, seeking a panel of seven potential arbitrators from which USAPA claimed the parties would select one to resolve their seniority-integration dispute. A copy of this request is attached as Exhibit 12.

Questions At Issue

(a) Whether USAPA violated MOU Paragraph 10 (and related provisions of the MOU) by unilaterally requesting, on February 20, 2014, that the National Mediation Board “NMB”) provide a list of seven potential arbitrators for a seniority-integration arbitration involving the pilots employed by US Airways and American (collectively “Carriers”) in order to pick one arbitrator to resolve disputes over the integration of three seniority lists.

( B) Whether USAPA violated MOU Paragraph 10 (and relatedprovisions of the MOU) by repudiating the seniority integration process and timelines, as evidenced by USAPA’s February 27, 2014 filing of a complaint in federal district court to compel APA and the Carriers to arbitrate the seniority integration of US Airways and American pilots pursuant to the timelines and procedures set forth in Section 13(a) of the Allegheny-Mohawk LPPs, as opposed to the process and timelines set forth in the MOU.

(c) Whether, as a contractual matter, the parties’ failure to execute a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement, referenced in MOU Paragraph 10(f), renders ineffective any of the other provisions of MOU Paragraph 10, specifically including the arbitrator-selection and hearing-schedule provisions in MOU Paragraph 10(a).

(d) Whether, as a contractual matter, the parties’ failure to select arbitrators, pursuant to either the arbitrator-selection provision in MOU Paragraph 10(a) or through a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement under MOU Paragraph 10(f), renders ineffective any of the other provisions of MOU Paragraph 10, specifically including the hearing-schedule provisions in MOU Paragraph 10(a).

If so, with respect to Issues (a)-( B), what shall be the remedy?

As a remedy for the above violations of the MOU, APA requests the Board of adjustment to enter an order directing USAPA to:

(a)cease and desist from taking any action that is contrary to, or inconsistent with, any of the arbitrator-selection or other seniority-integration provisions in the MOU;

( B) attempt to mutually agree to an arbitrator-selection procedure in accordance with the provisions of MOU Paragraph 10. In this regard, MOU Paragraph 10(e) states: “The obligations contained in this Paragraph [10] shall be specifically enforceable on an expedited basis before a System Board of Adjustment in accordance with Paragraph 20 . . .;;” and

(c) refrain from insisting that APA submit the seniority integration dispute to a single arbitrator (as opposed to a panel of three arbitrators), and from insisting that they select that one arbitrator from the panel provided by the NMB in response to USAPA’s unilateral February 20, 2014 request.

APA requests, further, that the Board of Adjustment issue the following rulings as to disputed issues of MOU interpretation and application:

(d) USAPA breached the MOU in the manners set forth above and in the Carriers’ Statement of Facts;

(e) The arbitrator-selection provision in MOU Paragraph 10(a) remained operative and in effect, as a contractual matter, even though there was no agreement to a Paragraph 10(f) Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement by the applicable deadline; and

(f) The seniority-integration provisions in MOU Paragraph 10 and related paragraphs, including without limitation the hearing schedule provisions in Paragraph 10(a), remain operative and in effect, as a contractual matter, even though there was no agreement to a Seniority Integration Protocol Agreement by the applicable deadline and even though no arbitrators have been selected. 

From Doc 27 Airways and American Motion to Compel

"Although USAPA refused to even discuss potential hearing dates, the Company reserved the earliest block of dates Mr. Bloch had available (June 17-19, 2014), so that an arbitration can be conducted promptly if the Court grants the Company’s motion to compel. Dkt. 26-22 (Stephens Decl. Ex. 20), at 6, 7.4"

Comment: The requested arbitration by APA and AAG through its Motion to Compel could be court ordered to be held on June 17-19, 2014, which is about 5 weeks away.
SO?
 
algflyr said:
And on a positive note, looks like a new bid just came out for August. Haven't had a chance to look it over. It does show 45 new hires...
 
The last several bids have steadily been reducing the 737 staffing. This bid completes that process. In the past, the 737 reductions have offset the increases in other equipment, but there was still positive movement. This bid is no different, but from here on out, there will be no more 737's to offset the movement. Anyway...
 
The August bid was a little complicated but here is the run down. While this bid is overall positive, it includes the final 737 pulldown, and the seasonal pulldown of the international, at least on the 767.
 
On the widebodies there will be a net increase of 20 Captain positions (all 330). 
 
On the Airbus, there is a net increase of 45 Captain positions.
On the 737, there is a reduction of 14 Captain positions.
 
So total Group II Captains positions will be an increase of 31.
 
The 190 Captain positions eliminated the 12 un-filled positions from the last bid. So really no change there.
 
So system wide, there are 51 Captain positions that will be filled with current FO's. I'd say that is positive movement.
 
On the FO side, it's hard to tell how people will bid..
 
There will be 22 positions eliminated from the widebodies, 14 eliminated from the 737, (36 total eliminations) and an increase of 59 on the Airbus. With the large number of upgrades, it's quite possible nobody will be displaced from the widebodies. 
 
traderjake said:
 
Minus 113 Captain and F/O primary lines.
 
That happens every year during the seasonal pulldown of international. The 767 will start doing more domestic flying eliminating the need for as many IRO's. Thus the decrease in primary lines there. I would imagine that trickles down to the airbus due to the 757's doing more Island flying. Since the Airbus cannot have an IRO, there are more primary lines to cover that flying. Once the 757 take some over, the airbus doesn't need as many lines.
 
With the large amount of upgrades this bid will generate, I doubt you will see a lot of current blockholders pushed down to reserve... It will undoubtedly happen to some, but not nearly as many as claiming in a "the sky is falling" kind of way that your comment of a reduction of 112 primary seems to imply... 
 
algflyr said:
 
but not nearly as many as claiming in a "the sky is falling" kind of way that your comment of a reduction of 112 primary seems to imply... 
 
I stated a fact, any implication is on you. 
 
You must have missed all those emoticons I posted.
 
🙂
 
There you go.
 
traderjake said:
 
Minus 113 Captain and F/O primary lines.
 
 
traderjake said:
 
I stated a fact, any implication is on you. 
 
 
Facts are fun!  Here are some more.  Any implication is on you.
 
 
August Bid year over year:
 
 
[SIZE=medium]Equipment                Primary Lines Aug 13           Primary Lines Aug 14                      Net[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CLT B767                   Capt   28/39   F/O                           30/38                                     +2/-1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CLT A330                              29/58                                     38/76                                     +9/+18[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CLT A320                              255                                         310                                         +55[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]CLT B737                              38                                           1                                              -37[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]DCA A320                            70                                           82                                           +12[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]PHL B767                              45/63                                   38/60                                     -7/-3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]PHL A330                             56/108                                  68/131                                  +12/+23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]PHL A320                             110                                         130                                         +20[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]PHL 737                                1                                              0                                              -1[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]PHL E190                              68                                           68                                             0[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Total Lines                           968                                         1,070                                     +102[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Total Pilots                          2,899                                     3,014                                      +115[/SIZE]
 
The funnest fact of all is when I fly to the islands I make more than the Captain did before the MOU. 
 
traderjake said:
The funnest fact of all is when I fly to the islands I make more than the Captain did before the MOU. 
What did you do to try to change that fact you mentioned?
 
traderjake said:
The funnest fact of all is when I fly to the islands I make more than the Captain did before the MOU. 
Were you responsible in any way that this fact you mentioned occurred? 
 
traderjake said:
The funnest fact of all is when I fly to the islands I make more than the Captain did before the MOU. 
Tell everyone why you were called for an interview with your current airline you are employed with.
 
traderjake said:
The funnest fact of all is when I fly to the islands I make more than the Captain did before the MOU. 
 
 
Too bad it's not a fact since you make $123.14 an hour right now.  Maybe you should do a fact check before you post.  Your latest posts really call into question any "facts" you've ever posted before. 
 
Proposed Protocol Agreement (PA), Union Merger Transition Agreement (UMTA), Global Agreement (GA), and M-B Lawsuit Settlement (MBLS) Timeline as of May 10, 2014

April 28, 2014 PHL Update – “It has also been determined that there may be the possibility of settling all outstanding issues with APA concerning the Protocol Agreement, Union Transition and the outstanding lawsuit. Because these are settlement discussions the details cannot be discussed. The BPR will have final say in any proposals provided to the APA and the Company as well as any final agreement. A great deal of time and effort has been dedicated to ensuring protections as we anticipate transition from USAPA to APA, and there are many issues that must be taken into consideration during the transition. It’s certainly not as simple as just ‘turning the keys over to APA’ as some have suggested.”

April 29, 2014 BPR Update – “(On April 28, 2014) at approximately 19:03, President Gary Hummel called the meeting to order. He then turned the Chair over to VP Steve Bradford, since Steve had chaired the previous days of this special meeting. Steve briefly introduced the documents before the Board (the proposed Protocol Agreement, proposed Union Merger Transition Agreement, and proposed Global Settlement Agreement).” 

Merger Documents

BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Protocol Agreement and Settlement Agreement as presented by the Merger Committee,

BE IT FINALLY RESOLVED THAT the Board of Pilot Representatives approves the proposed Merger Transition Agreement as amended.

May 1, 2014 USAPA Update – “On Tuesday, April 29, the 3 proposed agreements (proposed Protocol Agreement, proposed Merger Transition Agreement and proposed Settlement Agreement) were sent to the APA. APA can either accept our proposals, or modify them and pass back to our Merger Committee for consideration. Should they pass a modified proposal back to us, the BPR would once again have to approve them before acceptance. Since we are in negotiations, we cannot provide any more information at this time on the agreements; however, we do expect a timely response from the APA.” 

May 2, 2104 Petitions filed in U.S. District Court in D.C. – AAG and APA file similar Motions to Stay the M-B lawsuit and similar Motions to Compel USAPA to immediately arbitrate contract disputes per the MOU. AAG and APA are alleging under oath USAPA is refusing to abide by the pilot’s contract. The Defendants are seeking a court order that would force USAPA to arbitrate USAPA presumably not abiding by Judge Silver's position regarding SLI activity post SCC, USAPA's filing with the NMB, and USAPA not abiding by the MOU M-B timeline (with a discussions possible on USAPA's proposed PA, UMTA, GA, and MBLS proposals) to be held by Arbitrator Bloch on June 17-19, 2014, which is about 5 weeks away. 

Comments: It’s been nearly two weeks since USAPA provided APA with its proposed PA, UMTA, GA, and MBLS documents and there has been no word from APA on the status of USAPA’s proposals. Reports indicate President Hummel and MC Chairman Pauley have not provided the BPR with an update and that APA did not respond to USAPA’s merger and post SCC proposals. Was APA’s May 2, 2014 Motion to Stay the proceedings and Motion to Compel APA’s answers to USAPA’s April 29, 2014 PA, UMTA, GA, and MBLS proposals? Did APA effectively tell USAPA to “pound salt”?
 
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